Trade in PoE is not good and takes away from immersion

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1eyedking wrote:

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SilverWF wrote:

Mate, if you are personally hate trading - just play SSF, coz this mode is mentioned for this.

Me and many others are playing trade league for a reason.

I like trading.
What I don't like is excessive trading, skipping progress by trading, bulk trading, price-fixing, scamming and a ton of other harmful behavior that happens when trade is unlimited and highly abusable.

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SilverWF wrote:

And if trading could kill POE then it already were dead.

But it is not.

Softcore trade PoE is dead, mate.
A Headhunter goes for 5 divines. It's honestly sad, and if you can't see there's something horribly wrong with that, then you're too far gone, too.
There is no game left in that mode whatsoever.
It's just brain-dead right-click screen deletion.

If you don't like fast trading, then YOU could limit YOURSELF by setting a timer in between you are buying something :D

The league (and trading) is dead because:
- players just left
- there was ton of unpunished exploits on getting uniqs and currency
- HH is not a meta anymore (MB is)

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SilverWF wrote:

If you don't like fast trading, then YOU could limit YOURSELF by setting a timer in between you are buying something :D

The league (and trading) is dead because:
- players just left
- there was ton of unpunished exploits on getting uniqs and currency
- HH is not a meta anymore (MB is)

Not about to do some lame make-believe bullshit. I'm more concerned about the game's general health, which is entirely fixable by taking unpopular decisions sadly (and I say 'sadly' because it's frankly depressing 99% of the community doesn't realize the problems).
As for the league and trading, they are dead because trading is too easy and way too much shit drops in the normal game, to the point any half-baked MF strategy or piling up on certain multipliers breaks the game, which seems to be creaking everywhere as of late. And this is even after they did the whole pass on Beyond monsters a couple of leagues ago.
If anything I find Necropolis justified Ruthless's existence even more.

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1eyedking wrote:

Not about to do some lame make-believe bullshit. I'm more concerned about the game's general health, which is entirely fixable by taking unpopular decisions sadly (and I say 'sadly' because it's frankly depressing 99% of the community doesn't realize the problems).

Or maybe you belong to 1% which is seeing and looking for problems where they are not and 99% of people is right in this case. Trading is absolutely ok imo except for some [Removed by Support] individuals price fixing items - which with experience you can easily recognize but it is exploiting more casual or newer players. Otherwise I don't see reason why not to trade everything available. Prices of some rare items are really low this league as result of badly designed league in general I think. But it has also some positives. Like making character which is more powerful than what you would be able to normally make is much easier. I think most people should be happy about this. Still it doesn't mean that you are clearing all content like nothing. I have at minimum half mirror worth build I would say and I can't do that.

Also it is entirely up to everyone what they trade. If you have enough strict loot filter you are not seeing much of anything. So if someone wants to trade 1c whatever it is his choice and imo poor one.

I would be interested to see what screen deleting monster you have built this league with all these available resources. Would you mind making your profile public? Thx!

Well, coffins craft is ok for SSF (I think, because I never touched it), but became a pure garbage for trade league, allowing to create pure monsters (like 11-link gear etc)

I hope they add "filtering and sorting " options to POE2's trade. On console finding the item that you're looking for was very frustrating

Yes it have to be different.
+1

It's actually a hell when I need to trade, too slow, and too long. I play more trade than mapping.

to go one step further, ssf brings the most immersion.

trading in itself immediately breaks immersion as theres no in game market place where players set up shops and peddle their wares.

ragnarok online and even maple story does this better than poe

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cursorTarget wrote:

It's called "friction". Introduced on purpose. Read the manifesto, because it's another one duplicate thread.

Do you want frinction? Fine. But theres no good reason why you would need to use a website to search for items.

Its nothing more than a cheap excuse. Players should be able to execute every trading action be it buying, selling, or filtering items from withing the game.

Not everyone wants to play google spreadsheets.

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nedavamsito wrote:

But theres no good reason why you would need to use a website to search for items.

True!

But no matter what they do with the trade system, there are two things that should ALWAYS remain:

1) You HAVE to be online/logged in to buy or sell an item
2) You should physically have to accept a trade

As long as those two factor remain, I couldn't care less how much easier they'd make trading. While trading needs improvement, it should never become automated.

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1eyedking wrote:

Softcore trade PoE is dead, mate.
A Headhunter goes for 5 divines. It's honestly sad, and if you can't see there's something horribly wrong with that, then you're too far gone, too.
There is no game left in that mode whatsoever.
It's just brain-dead right-click screen deletion.

not as dead as hardcore and ruthless, gee golly.

hardcore is at best mid-core actual hardcore is reserved for games that deliver it like (Minecraft) Yeah minecraft is a "harder" game than PoE.

Also don't forget the people who made this game intentionally revolved a lot of it around trading and to further prove my point you can find countless discussions about the bazaar type atmosphere they were trying to achieve.

So why after all of those years of investment would they simply change direction now? (just kidding look at poe2, literally just that

I get that its a diverse community but the facts do not change based on popular opinion.