General Discussion - Banning people for exploits - Forum

" Raycheetah wrote: That'll set a BAD precedent. Exploiters will be emboldened if there is no real consequence for their actions. ='[.]'= lol? it's a video game man. delete the items and move on with their day is all GGG should do	Posted by Imaginaerum on May 4, 2024, 2:44:15 PM Quote this Post
Just ban all accounts in possession of bugged items xd	Posted by hasatt0 on May 4, 2024, 2:49:25 PM Quote this Post
" Imaginaerum wrote: lol? it's a video game man. delete the items and move on with their day is all GGG should do Sure, it's just a video game. But how can GGG expect us to follow the ToS when they don't do it themselves? What about RMT? Scamming? Cheating? Where do we draw the line here, or does "it's just a video game man" cover everything? If the general rule is: "You will not get banned", people will jump on the next exploit like crazy without risk of getting banned. Is that really the wanted environment? Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.	Posted by Phrazz on May 4, 2024, 2:53:04 PM Quote this Post
" gryphon79 wrote: I agree, they should be consistent in their punishments. What I think it missing here is the discussion of the punishment in relation to the damages caused--notably, to the game's trade economy. Yes, people made these unintentionally 6L items which grant extra power when used. How much of an effect did that have on other players? ...other than the people who spent hundreds of divines on the obviously bugged items. " gryphon79 wrote: I still think people should have been banned, especially the people who used the exploit from day 1. This brings up a good topic of discussion though. How many people were exploiting this prior to the bug being made public? If people were using this for weeks without reporting it, that could definitely be a basis for a ban.	Posted by Jadian on May 4, 2024, 3:35:20 PM Quote this Post
Breach of ToS is breach of ToS. It DOES NOT matter whether your breach of ToS affected others, affected economy etc. Punishment needs to be the same for all cases.	Posted by Aynix on May 4, 2024, 3:39:08 PM On Probation Quote this Post
Why punish anyone? This is a game not a criminal case. The bug is a consequence of irresponsibility and non-optimization of the game by the GGG team.	Posted by xaerobb on May 4, 2024, 3:50:20 PM Quote this Post
" xaerobb wrote: Why punish anyone? This is a game not a criminal case. The bug is a consequence of irresponsibility and non-optimization of the game by the GGG team. lol okay, should GGG stop making games then? idc what GGG decides to do with the abusers at the end of the day, it's their game, it's up to them to keep a level playing field for anyone who spends time playing it. and it's up to players to see if it's worth their time to play a game where exploit/bugs are rampant. and it's never right to use something knowing it's an obvious oversight and transfer the blame to devs for having it in the first place. well sure, but you should understand that it's impossible as a programmer to cover all possible corner cases. the users will break their product in one way or another, and devs will come and set it right. and if its against ToS, devs have all the right to ban the end users. player agency, where? "do you guys not have phones?" - blizz 2018 "do you guys not have 2 monitors, 3 overlays, 4 discord, 5 websites, 6 loot filters?" - ggg or smth 2024 "deal with it" - ggg, 2024	Posted by iParadoxG on May 4, 2024, 4:05:21 PM Quote this Post
" Sadaukar wrote: Sure, but tell me how would u determine who to ban and who not to? There are obviously the easy cases where ppl did it 10s or 100s of times and sold the stuff, but there's also ppl who might have done it accidentally and then maybe did it once or twice again and even sold some of those pieces. Where is the line? Also how to deal with the ppl who bought it? What if the ppl that bought them where the actual abusers that did the abuse itself on a throwaway account because they expected a possible future ban. I think there are way too many variables that it's just too much work. As I said, maybe they'll ban some ppl they can 100% confirm with evidence who abused it in a huge way to make a profit, but they'll never ban everyone who used the method.	Posted by FedeS on May 4, 2024, 4:06:57 PM Quote this Post
" Aynix wrote: Breach of ToS is breach of ToS. It DOES NOT matter whether your breach of ToS affected others, affected economy etc. Punishment needs to be the same for all cases. The ToS is also the basis for giving chat bans. They may refer players to the Code of Conduct, but that itself says to see the ToS for more information. Should GGG just get rid of chat bans entirely, and skip straight to banning accounts outright for "breach of ToS"?	Posted by Jadian on May 4, 2024, 4:14:45 PM Quote this Post
" Sadaukar wrote: Otherwise I don't think much will happen to players. More likely they will be able to find out which accounts were prolifically abusing it and selling the items and ban them. At the end of the day though, they could ban everyone for it and you don't have a leg to stand on because that's how the ToS works Ancestral Bond. It's a thing that does stuff. -Vipermagi He who controls the pants controls the galaxy. - Rick & Morty S3E1	Posted by lagwin1980 on May 4, 2024, 4:21:58 PM Quote this Post