Banning people for exploits

Exploit is the problem with this game currently

This is related to generally bad management, maybe because poe 2 is coming out, I don't know

One thing I know, more exploits means worse BALANCE OFF GAME

and here there are people who defend it and also try to explain that it's not that bad funny

A little better management and a more decisive policy towards exploiters would certainly help

Entire thread with people posting multiple paragraphs about the bottom line:

Empy and peeps get smacked for abusing an exploit that did not require packet-sniffing/client-server side hacks. A bug in the game.

A new one comes up and almost everyone and their brother did it and got away with it with zero punishment (those who paid a lot for these godly items thinking they wouldn't go poof is the funny part).

What's next, streamers getting queue priority? Sorry, I got a little crazy on the last question...don't ban me...

This was a bait thread...not a discussion thread...nuff said

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never mistake that number of abusers will drastically alter the responses available, yes its clearly double standards but they were never going to ban people for this leagues exploits.

Too many of the problems weren't obviously unintended they just tested them poorly

The remainder were too commonly used to be addressed it was just close the exploit and move on.

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xaerobb wrote:

If you compare bug item crafting in Path Of Exile with stealing a car... that is, virtual things with things from real life, I assume that you have a disturbed perception of reality.
This is a game, this is fun, "This world is an illusion, exile!"

I did not equate abusing a bug to stealing a car. I said that the type of person to reason like the person I responded to would use similar logic to explain real life misdemeanors / crimes. That is not the same thing and you could have known from context.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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xaerobb wrote:

If you compare bug item crafting in Path Of Exile with stealing a car... that is, virtual things with things from real life, I assume that you have a disturbed perception of reality.
This is a game, this is fun, "This world is an illusion, exile!"

I did not equate abusing a bug to stealing a car. I said that the type of person to reason like the person I responded to would use similar logic to explain real life misdemeanors / crimes. That is not the same thing and you could have known from context.

And that is precisely what makes your response so ridiculous in this context: there is a WORLD of difference (pun intended) in the "logic" that goes into playing a game in ANY WAY versus committing a real-world crime. You definitely know that and are being purposely obtuse.

I can choose to blacksheepwall a game all I want, that doesn't mean I'm going to apply the same logic and cheat people out of their money in the real world. I can even choose to learn how to hack a game, that doesn't mean I'm going to hack into an atm and still a million dollars. I can choose to use a clearly over-rewarding mechanic in a game and not choose to walk into an unlocked car and steal it...

It is YOU who, in your comment, equated game bugs and exploits to real world crime. That was the context you created and the point you made.

Oh right, because people act in the opposite way they‘d behave IRL given the opportunity. And you know what the difference is? Consequence.

If the consequence isn‘t harsh or not imposed at all, doing the bad behaviour has no downside to it. That is why law without penalty is impotent.

The only ridiculous thing here is your finger-pointing when my example perfectly encapsulates the mindset of the described person.

This is such a disingenuous conclusion to what I was putting out it's downright offensive.

The situation you describe with shooting people in an FPS has nothing to do with this, because you do what you are supposed to do in the game. It's the objective!

People's behaviour in video games absolutely can be indicative of how they'd act in real life. The guy who shouts racist expletives into the CS:GO mic? Probably not Mr Rogers IRL.

To refresh your recollection of what was said:

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xaerobb wrote:

The fact that some guys "were in the right place at the right time" and make some item (due to a GGG mistake) does not mean that they are bad guys, with bad intentions and that they should be punished.
GGG+

"Right place at the right time" can also be equated with the proverb "opportunity makes the thief" - finding a convenient opportunity for enrichment. You are meeting Calling out unethical behaviour like this? I have a feeling you are not defending the guy who said that, but actually yourself. No way you'd plunge this deep into debating semantics for a guy like that LMAO.

No matter what the consequence may be, behavior in a video game is no indicator of behavior in real life. To suggest otherwise is simply ridiculous and actually more research evidence supports the exact opposite argument.

I steal from people and do other crazy things in games like GTA...that by no means gives any indication that I will do those same things in real life. And even if I were to risk punishment within the game for doing them....I would STILL do them and it still would give no insight into how I behave in life.

Separating a video game from reality is one of the first lessons of being a human being in real life society. There is a huge wealth of research into decision-making in video games vs. decision-making in real life. There have been many lawsuits trying to connect tv or video games to real life violence that have been debunked and disproven time and time again.

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mefistozxz wrote:

No matter what the consequence may be, behavior in a video game is no indicator of behavior in real life. To suggest otherwise is simply ridiculous and actually more research evidence supports the exact opposite argument.

I steal from people and do other crazy things in games like GTA...that by no means gives any indication that I will do those same things in real life. And even if I were to risk punishment within the game for doing them....I would STILL do them and it still would give no insight into how I behave in life.

Separating a video game from reality is one of the first lessons of being a human being in real life society. There is a huge wealth of research into decision-making in video games vs. decision-making in real life. There have been many lawsuits trying to connect tv or video games to real life violence that have been debunked and disproven time and time again.

If you truly think that people's personality doesn't shine through decisions they take in video games it's you and you alone who needs a reality check. There are plenty of people who display very poor behaviour towards other people, behave unethically given opportunity, or where there is social structures like guilds, use their position to impose on others.

This shit literally is studies and inferences can be made. This was a closed case from the very beginning of your yapping.

^Do I really need to point out the very essence and REASON for the existence of RPGs....playing a role and usually a role that is antithetical to your personality?

Do I really need to point out social media, and how it is a PROVEN FACT that people who would never behave in one way in society, behave a particular way on social media (which includes game chat and racist vitriol that you describe?)?

Do I really need to point out that the entire point of video games, from the very first creation is an ESCAPE from reality and the chance to be and behave in a way you do NOT behave irl?

Do I really need to explain the difference between typing something, or choosing to cheat in a video game and how it differs from stealing a car, or committing any sort of crime in the real world?



Yes, I am drawing from personal experience. As you really should be as well. The things I choose to do, sometimes the things I say, and many of the actions I take within a video game are the OPPOSITE of what I would do, say, or even truly feel. It's part of the fun of....playing a GAME and not being in the real world. It is way more common for folks to NOT be themselves in the virtual space...hell, you see this on the news almost 24/7 in one form or another.

Any stable human being is able to act one way for fun....and another way for life.