(Stormweaver) Max projectiles cold converted fireballs. Cheap, easy, powerful, FUN! (T16+ ready)

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Konried#2763 wrote:

I'll be taking a break from the game for a little while. I wasn't able to find a citadel after 300(?)ish maps and also experienced a series of crashes in 4 floor sanctums that have left a real sour taste.

I enjoy playing the game and theorycrafting for this build, but I think I've hit my limit of what I can tolerate for now.

Build is in a good spot to leave it, anyone can progress to endgame with it in this state and I think the max aoe build is the key to bossing. I'll check back in after new year or maybe with next patch.

Can't wait to see how the game changes through early access, and what new or rebalanced content we will get. Definitely a fan, but at the moment the endgame is inaccessible compared to 'Semi-SSF' atlas progression that could be done in PoE1. I said before that I liked farming and setting up bosses on my own, but in poe 2 the grind is absolutely massive, and also totally RNG. I just couldn't find a citadel. Even plugging T15's into my towers which was supposedly the way to do it, I never saw one.

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HigherTimes#6965 wrote:

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Scotchfist#1987 wrote:

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HigherTimes#6965 wrote:

My build is a lot different than OPs and honestly, after having done 15 maps all day today, it's definitely going to fall off because at one point you need more utility and defense than you do PURE damage. It's like playing a Ranger and having mid tier gear and trying to survive. You need INSANE DPS (which I don't think is going to be super achievable for someone like myself who's not uber rich) to run a Ranger/Sorc and go pure glass cannon IMO.

It's been working real well for me up until juiced 15s and one shot mechanics that you NEED higher life pools/ES to survive. I have 4.1k mana and I easily get one shot in juiced maps by random shit. Very annoying...

I know Kon has been going hard trying to make the build more end game viable by adding said utility and other niche things to the build. I'd ignore the fact that my fireball does so much, it's purely because I'm playing a completely different variation.

High, I've been playing your version this past weekend and really enjoy it a lot. The enormous jump in dps is really a good defense, but I am also now running into problems in t14/t15 maps with my defenses and getting one shot.

I do not have your level of gear based on your maxroll link. My shield has almost no ES but good offensive stats and my helm is missing critical ES. So I only sit at around 3.2k mana. Trying to figure it out because I have so much fun with this variant, but upgrades are minimum 1 divine, otherwise I'm replacing it with something that only kind of helps for 50ex.

Awesome to hear you've tried out the glass cannon build! And yeah, as you're seeing and even I'm experiencing it now, the one shots are terribly frustrating and why I assume builds like this won't work in the end game unless you're UBER rich and even then...Other builds/variants are probably stronger anyway.

I've been trying to upgrade the past day or so and I'm gonna give it another shot at some of this harder content to see if the increase in DPS as you said, can be my defense. Kill before being killed. I was missing a lot of somewhat cheap pieces that gave me much more damage, gear is all updated now. But I feel you, upgrades are definitely 50-100 exalts/1-2 div atm. I've been lucky to get some silly people selling things for cheap.

Also been having so much fun blasting with this. Some things I've learned is to just lead with fireballs/abilities and NEVER try to stand on things unless you absolutely know the rare/mobs don't have crazy mods. Our damage is so high, we don't really have to rely on being close to do a shotgun or burst. Just drop walls and fire into them from afar.

Ranged mobs are also just terribly annoying, as if you walk into a pack, they all hit you, sometimes stun lock you, and you're dead. These type of deaths are why I assume I'll be dropping this version at one point, but who knows!

I'm currently @ 30k fireball dmg and it's insanely powerful.

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HigherTimes#6965 wrote:

I'm currently @ 30k fireball dmg and it's insanely powerful.

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KarmaElemental#1007 wrote:

Question about Cast on Freeze. Are we still using it with frost wall or are we casting it manually now? It seems like manual might be the way to go with the cast on freeze nerf but at the same time, i don't know what else we would put on cast on freeze. Maybe we just drop it entirely for something else? or the evergreen comet i guess.

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Scotchfist#1987 wrote:

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KarmaElemental#1007 wrote:

Question about Cast on Freeze. Are we still using it with frost wall or are we casting it manually now? It seems like manual might be the way to go with the cast on freeze nerf but at the same time, i don't know what else we would put on cast on freeze. Maybe we just drop it entirely for something else? or the evergreen comet i guess.

I use a manual and a CoF frost wall. Using it with CoF can be helpful in conjunction with Arctic Armor for defense if I survive the initial hit.

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KarmaElemental#1007 wrote:

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Scotchfist#1987 wrote:

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KarmaElemental#1007 wrote:

Question about Cast on Freeze. Are we still using it with frost wall or are we casting it manually now? It seems like manual might be the way to go with the cast on freeze nerf but at the same time, i don't know what else we would put on cast on freeze. Maybe we just drop it entirely for something else? or the evergreen comet i guess.

I use a manual and a CoF frost wall. Using it with CoF can be helpful in conjunction with Arctic Armor for defense if I survive the initial hit.

How are you using CoF frost wall and manual at the same time? I thought we couldn't put the same skill on twice?

Edit: just found out you can, turns out i just need to put the frost wall on CoF and then put it in manual, interesting...

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Scotchfist#1987 wrote:

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HigherTimes#6965 wrote:

I'm currently @ 30k fireball dmg and it's insanely powerful.

Holy crap! I was at 13k before I dropped my focus with offensive stats (really amazing find for the focus with no ES that I removed. I got it for 1ex before things went haywire) for a defensive focus as per OP's advice. I now have about 4k mana. It did help me, but I kill a bit slower now. Most likely, if I keep this build variant, it will be a skill based issue.

Two things I know I can improve on:

Using WASD instead of mouse to ensure I am constantly moving. I have never really played a game with WASD. So, it feels really uncomfortable for me. Thinking of starting an alt with only WASD to get used to it.

Secondly, using techniques like you suggested like incorporating range, noticing beforehand when there is a "siphons mana" mob. It's much more difficult in a party for me.

One difference with my gear is that my wand is "+ to fire skills" and not all skills for affordability. So I use ember fuse like OP suggested, which gets up to about 35k dps. I have trouble aiming it sometimes, but generally like it quite a bit for burst damage.

Not really sure how I could up my ehp without a ton of wealth at this point.

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rionguyenngoc#8230 wrote:

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HigherTimes#6965 wrote:

30k fireball holy shit. please show your gear, i want to copy :(

OP (Konfried), was kind enough to pin/link my build version on page 1! I have my exact gear set on, "set 2".

I will say, the damage is complete overkill (I also am currently shooting 3.14 fireballs a second, lol) and at the end of the day (like I already knew and was starting to see), this build doesn't need overkill damage when I'm losing my life because of it in a sense. Using EB with A LOT of ES on gear and what not, doesn't really translate well to the mana pool. I'd say I have pretty decent gear when it comes to ES rolls/high amounts and I'm still only sitting @ 4k mana (I also have high tier mana rolls on most EVERY piece).

So all that dedication trying to gain defense (mana/mana regen, because this is now our lifeblood now), and still I'm being one shot so much by random stuff the game throws at you. I literally jump out of my seat half the time in amazement that I've just died out of nowhere, lol. I love feeling this strong, but dying sucks in PoE 2. Lose exp, lose map, lose lots of stuff...

Currently trying to work on gaining as much defense as I can think of and if I'm still encountering random/stupid deaths, I'm probably going to be changing builds or at least the version of this one. ES is super strong and EB is probably not needed. If I was anyone following this build, I'd be trying to get a SUPER big ES and living/dying with that (CI included).

Also with the new, "rarity", meta. This version of the build lacks even more, because you have to fit in rarity in spots that will make gear a bit more expensive to say the least. You either play without rarity and are super handicapped to drops, or you switch to it and can't play the game properly cause you're sacrificing so many potential affixes for it.