Why POE2’s Direction Is Worrying for Veterans and Newcomers Alike

I mostly agree with the initial post.
I completely disagree with the kids posting about vets that just talk crap.

It was GGG who said PoE2 was a chance to fix things from PoE1 and learn from mistakes, not veteran players. The kids should just stick to actual feedback and keep their inferiority complex against older players to themselves....

Also the reason PoE2 concentrates on whites and blues is to counter the fact that seasoned players treated them as junk. For some kids to get on and say that the tedious loot for PoE2 is to satisfy the veterans is not even ignorant, its just plain foolish.

No matter what GGG does. PoE1 and PoE2 will have comparisom.
It doesn't even have anything to do with the inferiority complex that the newer 'one click phone gamer' generation has with veterans or older players.
If they screw up PoE2, they will end up with an old game thats going nowhere and a short-lived new game that regurgitated the same old problems and operation that the original did.

PoE2 has alot of problems. Ignoring PoE1 and just resting it on its own merits, it still doesn't have what it takes.

I would consider myself a PoE1 veteran.
I also don't expect PoE2 to be a clone of PoE1.
I do expect it to be better than PoE1 or at the very least, not have problems that PoE1 has already been through that GGG professed to have learnt from.

An example of this would be how half of building a character is basically just trying to get enough mana to not get mana-screwed. Having to pick only intelligence and mana nodes just to stop the game feeling clunky sucks.
Over half of the players would end up playing mana stack builds..... (Yeah. It already happened......)
It is such an obvious problem, and compulsory mana fix is something that players have already had to deal with multiple times with PoE1.
Does pointing it out mean I want copy and paste PoE1? Nope.
It does mean that I expected GGG to learn from past mistakes... like they said they did....and not screw it up...again...

I don't need a braindead D4 Clone thats 90% empty and has the equivalent of kiddy restrictions.
PoE2 has potential, but GGG seems to be building it exactly like PoE1, just with more restrictions. Overtune, patch and fix, overtune, patch and fix, all while ignoring the most basic of problems.....

Sound familiar?....If it does, you've played PoE1 enough to understand veterans, and probably are one.

Maybe PoE2 will just need time to mature like PoE1 did....
Maybe it will be really good after 4-6 years.......If GGG and the one click phone gamer kids don't wreck it first. Haha

Ascendancies feel bad right now. There are definitely issues. But this is Early Access. I'm not worried about PoE2's direction. They couldn't just start this game with it being juiced up as PoE1 currently is cause power creep is unavoidable. Right now the game is the most boring, tedious, and incomplete as it will ever be. In it's current state it's far more interesting that Diablo 4 was at launch or PoE1, or Last Epoch.

I mean, definitely speak out about concerns with current mechanics, but GGG has a good track record of making adjustments and creating a really deep fun ARPG. I have full faith the PoE2 will eventually surpass PoE1 when they get all the kinks sorted out with their new systems.

I agree with almost everything in the OP.

Pretty solid feedback, although I personally am happy with the loss of flask play. It was bad in my personal opinion and in terms of controls for PoE2, it just doesn't fit.

well said

feel the same

so, there is *one* thing that The Vision interacts with advantageously, and that is power creep: GGG can drip-feed us a gradual speedup over the years, as well as gradually reverting any of The Vision changes such as The Well that people continue to hate, and it will feel that the game is getting faster and overall more fun with each new league, while for some years they'll just be giving us back what we already considered to be fundamentals in poe 1, before they have to enter *real* power-creep territory like poe 1 eventually had to in order to keep people coming back

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sesquipedalias#2884 wrote:

so, there is *one* thing that The Vision interacts with advantageously, and that is power creep: GGG can drip-feed us a gradual speedup over the years, as well as gradually reverting any of The Vision changes such as The Well that people continue to hate, and it will feel that the game is getting faster and overall more fun with each new league, while for some years they'll just be giving us back what we already considered to be fundamentals in poe 1, before they have to enter *real* power-creep territory like poe 1 eventually had to in order to keep people coming back

I wonder how many notables, key nodes, skills, gear and league mechanic from PoE 1 they will drip feed us as "new content" going forward.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Without leagues, Path of Exile wouldn’t even exist as we know it.

Good. Go play those leagues in POE1. We're playing a different game.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Let’s be real: no leagues means no fresh content . . . nothing new to discover

Lies. Removing leagues actually encourages GGG to develop real, novel content as opposed to some lame spinoff.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

but even the “bad” ones bring updates that keep the game alive.

GGG creating novel POE2 content and keeping it updated are both independent of leagues.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Without them, you’d just be stuck running the same boring meta builds forever in a static game world. Sound fun? Didn’t think so.

This is weak, dishonest sophistry. See above: adding to the game world and updating builds isn't bound to a league format.

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Kaukus1#7461 wrote:

Also: Ah, yeah, another one of those who’s probably never played PoE seriously—or any ARPG for that matter—but now wants to tell everyone what works and what doesn’t. Do us all a favor and at least learn what you’re talking about before dropping takes like this.

You are a clown.

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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sesquipedalias#2884 wrote:

so, there is *one* thing that The Vision interacts with advantageously, and that is power creep: GGG can drip-feed us a gradual speedup over the years, as well as gradually reverting any of The Vision changes such as The Well that people continue to hate, and it will feel that the game is getting faster and overall more fun with each new league, while for some years they'll just be giving us back what we already considered to be fundamentals in poe 1, before they have to enter *real* power-creep territory like poe 1 eventually had to in order to keep people coming back

I wonder how many notables, key nodes, skills, gear and league mechanic from PoE 1 they will drip feed us as "new content" going forward.

years' worth, probably...