The Pyromantical Allstars|Recoup on Block|The Return of Aegis Aurora|MoM CI|Arsonist-Minions 3M

FYI, they seem to have "fixed" the ascendancies. Beidat's hand, will and gaze do not work anymore after you switched to CI.
Kind of wondering if I should switch asc, because this one only gives hellhound now.

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mordaine#1455 wrote:

I'm not sure why but my DPS is pretty rubbish, to the point I can't even clear to the pinnacle breach lord because minions aren't killing things fast enough before the timer runs out. I find single target DPS on map bosses also quite low.

I am lv90, and I followed exactly your PoB tree (a little after the 110 tree, I haven't taken some of the minion survivability nodes as I pathed to Ingenuity to get some extra int).

I have LV29 minions: 5 from scep, 3 from amu, 2 from helmet + lv 19 gems.

All skill gems are +20% quality and 4-linked (so missing 1 gem each), at lvl19. I use same rota as you suggest and ensure that I always have curses up, 11 raging spirits out, and use pain offering every time it expires.

I don't have either of the two unique jewels, but I have 7 rare jewels all with +minion damage and +minion atk speed as offensives.

I have enough spirit to keep out 8 arsonists, 2 clerics, 2 skellies, and hellhound (infernalist with only 4 points on the tree as the other 4 are useless for this build).

Is this low DPS to be expected when using a shield?

Mmhmmm, a lvl 19 5-link skill is not enough when you walk to the bigger pinnacles. Of course you loose big amounts of damage.

You get a lvl 20 6-links qu 20 in trade for 1 div, and should progress in highest content further to lvl 21. That skillgem will be a huge boost.

Lvl 29 is not optimal against big pinnacles, with a bit more spirit 9 arsonists is an upgrade too and lvl 31 or 32 should be stacked for the final last content.

The complete scaling step by step is guided in "checklists stats" --> "miniondamage | minionlife".
In breachrealms the optimized tankyness is not that much needed, you can balance one or two es/mana passive-wheels into jewelslots and miniondamage. You can change consecrated effect to feeding frenzy for the breach run and then switch back for the realmblord. With weaponswap buff Flammability.


In breachrealms focus on the rare yellow mobs, they grant much more progress as blue magic and white normal mobs. Pain Offering is the biggest damage-increasement in the correct setup, cast it on the yellow rares. Go a bit ahead, because the ignites will kill many mods behind you with their dot delayed.

Here I recorded an example breachrun, Xesht, We that are One, t3.

Not the fastest, but clean run afk, tanky and very safe and cheap. Arsonists are lvl 31, 6-link, budget in total 12 div (each gearpiece far less than 1 div, only amulet 5 div because of stacking 200% increased item rarity).

https://youtu.be/NReybLnKM14


When you have a pob2-data I take a closer look on your set-up.

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shibuyaku#4694 wrote:

FYI, they seem to have "fixed" the ascendancies. Beidat's hand, will and gaze do not work anymore after you switched to CI.
Kind of wondering if I should switch asc, because this one only gives hellhound now.

It's a though decision between CI and hybrid. There are still deeper synergies for minions missing like supports, skills and uniques. I tried to list the differences in the spoiler "CI - Transformation".

Pro and Con CI - Hybrid | Variation Hybrid es + life + mana as Infernalist and Chronomancer


The Beidat's ascendancy-skills are not useable as CI. On the other side scaling up +life is not very effective compared to energyshield.

So as Infernalist it`s a though decision between the hybrid setup and CI.

Ups for CI are:

■ 100% bleeding immunities (until now, Jonathan mentioned it`s probably not intended)
■ 100% poison immunities
■ 100% chaos-resis (and in high juiced maps chaos can be multiplied by some mobs and more mods into extreme high increased damage)
■ mana-recouping is often used for the high skillcosts

Ups for Hybrid life + mana + es, non CI, are:

■ around +1-2 more arsonsist-minions, this is equal to around 10-20% damage
■ around + 600 mana/ehp
■ around 20% physical damagereduction
■ +500 life (equal to 5-10% ehp)
■ mana-recouping more often recovers the health-pool

Downs as hybrid:

■ needs 2-3 suffixes / implicits to cap 75% chaos-resis

Overall I recommend in ordinary high juiced mapping Infernalist CI, in non-chaos poe-content hybrid is good also.

I went Stormweaver this time, next patch I try probably Chronomancer for the recoup mechanics.

Still the Infernalist reachs nice 25-35% more damage as all other ascendancies because of all her minionpassives in the starting area.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3712276

Did anyone verify this? Are curse duration nodes not working? Would be a relevant bug for this build.


//Edit: Actually tested this myself. It's just a UI bug, the shown durations are wrong and probably unaffected by curse duration nodes. But I stopwatched how long my ground effect flammability was up and it was reliably 5 seconds (~50%) longer with the nodes leading up to and including "Lingering whispers".

TL;DR: Curse duration nodes work.

Question: What is the motivation to take "Whispers of doom"? I cant seem to place two ground effect curses at once anyways.

Question 2: There are like 30 more points taken in the passive skill tree than I have, and I am level 86. What's up with that? Do I just have to decide what I want to prioritize? Talking about this tree with 123 allocated: https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/095deee9-a70f-4666-b761-86aba360331f/builds/db2034b5-6f49-474e-a84c-4a231d50dc62#passive-tree-0

//Edit 2: I got the answer to question 2 now. The red stuff on mobalytics is what should go into weapon spec 2, so I was playing with wrong passives all the time. Well, well, well.

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Chromino#4813 wrote:

Thank you Omat1c!

Yes, the From nothing is interesting when you get it cheap.

I added it in the alternatives for blickchances and jewels in the related spoilers. Thank you!

Also the From nothing for Necromantic diadem is very interesting with recoupings, stun threshold, minion survivability.

Overall the megalomaniac, amulet anoint and rare jewels remain a bit stronger.

Hmm, From Nothing with Necromantic Talisman seems really interesting.

Lolwut? 42% Alkem Eira for 10 ex.

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shibuyaku#4694 wrote:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3712276

Did anyone verify this? Are curse duration nodes not working? Would be a relevant bug for this build.


//Edit: Actually tested this myself. It's just a UI bug, the shown durations are wrong and probably unaffected by curse duration nodes. But I stopwatched how long my ground effect flammability was up and it was reliably 5 seconds (~50%) longer with the nodes leading up to and including "Lingering whispers".

TL;DR: Curse duration nodes work.

Question: What is the motivation to take "Whispers of doom"? I cant seem to place two ground effect curses at once anyways.

Question 2: There are like 30 more points taken in the passive skill tree than I have, and I am level 86. What's up with that? Do I just have to decide what I want to prioritize? Talking about this tree with 123 allocated: https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/095deee9-a70f-4666-b761-86aba360331f/builds/db2034b5-6f49-474e-a84c-4a231d50dc62#passive-tree-0

//Edit 2: I got the answer to question 2 now. The red stuff on mobalytics is what should go into weapon spec 2, so I was playing with wrong passives all the time. Well, well, well.

Oooh, I am sorry about the wrong passives.

Like you wrote already, the coloured passives in mobylatics and pob2 are used only for flexible 24 passives weaponswapping.

Use always first miniondamage and minionattackspeed.

I will guide the weaponswapping with whispers of doom better better and will add a weaponswapping tree in pob2 soon too. Need to test and optimize some variations before.

When you are lazy the build can go easy without weaponswapping.
But Flammability is buffed strong from 46% to 65%, and up to 40% flat damagereductions of additional cursing bosses with enfeeble beside are nice tanky.
Corpse detonation is valuable too for a bit more damage, I will improve the guidings about in the section "weaponswapping" in the spoilers "skills" and "miniondamage".

The curse duration is not that decisive too, I favourize to buff the duration by the support "persistence" of the stronger boost by "pain offering" instead. With weaponswapping you can choose to buff curseduration or curse-aoe. AoE is best in maps, duration against bosses.

Changelog

Added 3 new videos: "About burstdamage", "About tankyness", "Breachrun"
Improved order of spoilers
Improved Arsonists supports with Consecrated Effect
Improved Raging Spirit supports
Improved weaponswapping pob-tree
Added guiding about weaponswapping in the spoiler "The Damagescaling step by step: Miniondamage | Minionlife | Weaponswapping"
Started the guidings about "The details of the Ascendancies"

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Omat1c#4152 wrote:

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Chromino#4813 wrote:

Thank you Omat1c!

Yes, the From nothing is interesting when you get it cheap.

I added it in the alternatives for blickchances and jewels in the related spoilers. Thank you!

Also the From nothing for Necromantic diadem is very interesting with recoupings, stun threshold, minion survivability.

Overall the megalomaniac, amulet anoint and rare jewels remain a bit stronger.

Hmm, From Nothing with Necromantic Talisman seems really interesting.

Lolwut? 42% Alkem Eira for 10 ex.

Hehe, that is a good trade. Congrats.
But it miss the runesocket?

I got the 41-42% often between 20 ex and 2 divs too, sometimes you snipe it.

Ive been playing my own minion build in hardcore to lvl 97 (died yesterday to Ash when lagged followed by a disconnect on the 1 shoot mechanic). untill now i have not looked at other builds or posts, ive just been enjoying the game dong my own thang.

Seeing this, i can just say that you do not need to maximise the level of abilities and minions to take down the endgame content. ive been farming that stuff with a +4 minion sceptre.
When i moved over to a +5 minion sceptre and a +3 neckless (i dont trade, but when i finaly found them) it made a huge diffrence. The biggest boost however, is the offering with the rage stacking gem on it (without the rage stacking i dont see the increase).

but again, i know the mechanics, i dodge the abilities (unless when disconnect :D) and its golden.

Starting up my new SSF HC minion today just beacuse ive enjoyed it so much.


what you need to stack:
Life, ES, Resists, +to minions, some attributes (maybe 30 to int/dex/str on each ring).
nothing else. (Life and ES will give you spritit and go for the 50 spirit shield, annouint the +12% to block chance or get the 2 +5% blockchance node over to the left when picking up other block and es).

And most importingly, that i dont see anyone have in their minion build:
Get HP and resists for them, up on top there is a increase effect node, but also get the increase hp node to the right of it (+12 per thingy and the last is +20% phys dmg reduction and choas ress). Also, i went for 3 clerics.

so 11 arsonists, 3 clerics and 2 warriors from scepter, lvl 28 (+8 from equipment) and i steamrolled everything, even ash, but yesterday the ethernet got me :). back to grinding!

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hitem#1568 wrote:

Ive been playing my own minion build in hardcore to lvl 97 (died yesterday to Ash when lagged followed by a disconnect on the 1 shoot mechanic). untill now i have not looked at other builds or posts, ive just been enjoying the game dong my own thang.

Seeing this, i can just say that you do not need to maximise the level of abilities and minions to take down the endgame content. ive been farming that stuff with a +4 minion sceptre.
When i moved over to a +5 minion sceptre and a +3 neckless (i dont trade, but when i finaly found them) it made a huge diffrence. The biggest boost however, is the offering with the rage stacking gem on it (without the rage stacking i dont see the increase).

but again, i know the mechanics, i dodge the abilities (unless when disconnect :D) and its golden.

Starting up my new SSF HC minion today just beacuse ive enjoyed it so much.


what you need to stack:
Life, ES, Resists, +to minions, some attributes (maybe 30 to int/dex/str on each ring).
nothing else. (Life and ES will give you spritit and go for the 50 spirit shield, annouint the +12% to block chance or get the 2 +5% blockchance node over to the left when picking up other block and es).

And most importingly, that i dont see anyone have in their minion build:
Get HP and resists for them, up on top there is a increase effect node, but also get the increase hp node to the right of it (+12 per thingy and the last is +20% phys dmg reduction and choas ress). Also, i went for 3 clerics.

so 11 arsonists, 3 clerics and 2 warriors from scepter, lvl 28 (+8 from equipment) and i steamrolled everything, even ash, but yesterday the ethernet got me :). back to grinding!

Looks very interesting!

3 clerics I never tried. I do a testing, hehehe, sooon.

I swear on the 75% blockings in content like breach, ritual, etc. - I am really a bad and slow player and did after CI-Transformation and becoming almost ailment-immune lvl 80-96 almost deathless (1 death in deli-map, 1 death in simu, 1 death against Fortress-boss Pirasha, 1 against high 600% juiced t-19 Savannne-boss, and 2x drowning orbs. Probably I repress succesful 1-2 more deaths, hehe. But I logged out / used portal only 2x too. ) and the build farms relaxed afk almost always.

Only in high above 400% t17-t18 juiced delirium / simulacrum wave 13-15 my minions get sometimes overrunned. I guess because of corrupted blood or chaos-damage, or when I forgot to cast frostwalls around them.

I invested in softcore only 10 defensive passives for minions (life, left hand of darkness + some more notes: ele-resis, low chaos-resis, physical dr), these 10 are also enough to farm with the atlas keystone Corrupted Infusion and Organised Forces t18 doublecorrupted maps with crazy 800% increased mods, that means also T 19 bosses. And I use Necrotised flesh beyond on megalomaniac for 40% more minionlife. In softcore i squeezed in 200% item-rarity only on gear, so the drops and currency are nice this way.
But in hc I would balance a lot into defences on top always. But hc is not for my weak nervous soul, I would really shout too loud in tears when I loose my beloved in love collected b.i.s.-gear, hehehe. Damage of Arsonists seems enough in all content. I almost instant skipped first phase of Arbiter, but then died to his oneshot-phase. Hate him already now deep and forever, lol. Typical GGG-Finalboss, hehe. I visit him next time in 90% fire-resis, grrrhrrr.

Yes, pain offering with font of rage is far the best buff! With buff by weaponswap flammability is also doubling the dps.

Congrats to your awesome level 97! That is top peak. She will rest in the peace of victory!