I'm confused as to why people enjoy the moment to moment gameplay of this game

It's fine if you don't care for the game. Every person is not going to like every game and that's ok.

The really weird part for me is trying to justify to other people why they shouldn't like the game. If you don't care for it or find it boring then just move on. The need to have your opinion validated by others says a lot.

You could, you know...


Not play instead of writing a random laundry list of things you don't like?

I know. It's complicated.

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dkp#0523 wrote:

"Mobs don't kill me"

Tell me you've never played POE2 without telling me you've never played POE2.

Frankly i had a rough time the first hours like everyone else but the game is not that hard once you learned the core mechanics and understood where's the good stuff ... i've actually build a Melee Mercenary from Level 1 to Level 56 without any investments whatsoever in defences = full glass canon , still completely playable . Ignore Armor and play Evasion with ES , prioritize items with Resistances on it over Regen , etc . As for white mobs they are a complete joke as long as you have invested in a couple of good skills with great AoE .

This is a game where good builds is about clearing the screen as fast as possible and occasionally roll away from trouble , you can't tank shit here and people trying to do so will keep struggling .

Ya know, I was pretty condescending towards the game in the initial post which I probably should've worded better, but it's kind of weird reading comments about how I must hate this game and should just stop playing it, and that my feedback is just invalid. I do like this game overall, the story is cool, the setting is great, the character building is immaculate, the classes are awesome and overall I had a great time playing it. Admittedly I don't have a ton of experience with arpg's and came into it looking at the game as if it were just an actiony twin stick shooter with a big excel spreadsheet character sheet attached to it, so maybe my expectation does differ from what others might want out of the game. I feel as if my feedback is still valid on how the moment to moment gameplay is laid out though.

Again my primary complaint is how the actual mechanical gameplay is designed, and how the difficulty is distributed in the game. it feels weird to me that the actual moveset of each individual mob and what they can/will do during combat generates such an astronomically small amount of threat to me as the player compared to the text below a rare monsters name or the affixes on a map. It feels unintuitive to me that a gigantic angry dude with two giant swords running at me is 1/50th as threatening as a tiny crab with a yellow outline that makes lightning explosions, and that I'm infinitely more worried about what modifiers are on my map or a silly little gauge on my ui in the sanctum than anything any of the mobs in that encounter will actually do in combat(besides zarokh, that guy is friggin cool.)

And yes, people can point and call me a moron at the mention of the words "artificial difficulty" but I think that is what a ton of the difficulty in this game is centralized around. The way I categorize it myself is the actual mechanical button pressing of maneuvering attacking and dodging in combat and mental decision making on what to do along with the intellectual decisions made during building/outside of combat are the fundamental difficulty of the game, and mechanics that do not fundamentally alter how the game functions but simply add a numerical layer of difficulty that just makes what you're already going to do harder is artificial difficulty. I would also like to say I DON'T THINK THIS IS INHERENTLY A BAD THING TO PUT IN A GAME. Every game with a lot of replayability has a level of it. But I think poe2 relies on such mechanics to an extreme degree to where those mechanics act as a substitute to the actual fundamental difficulty of the game.

Again i do actually like this game, and I admit I was kind of condescending in my original post. But I think these are very real and legitimate complaints to have about the game.

PoE 2 is a hardcore game. Not in the sense of being "difficult" per se, but it the sense of "we're making a game where time investment is key to beating everything". It is a game, that in time, aims to be like PoE 1 in the sense of letting/wanting you to sink hundred of hours into it every league.

And while games like PoE is and will always be repetitive, they have to make that repetitiveness enjoyable in the long run. You having to sidestep and manually dodge white mobs in the endgame just won't do and players will burn themselves out. You don't want to be powerful in a "my dps number is high" kinda way. You want to be powerful in a way that translate to gameplay. A way that can be felt. A way that shows. This is where AoE, more arrows, speed, secondary affects/explosions and stuff like that comes into play. "Clearspeed" lets you feel that power. There needs to be a certain amount of "automation" when it comes to endgame gameplay.

For people that aim to play through the acts once, here and there, and treat it like Dark Souls or Elden Ring, where they don't return every 3 months to make a new character, they will probably struggle to understand this, which is OK. But PoE is and will never be that kind of game.

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AnimePillowCollector#2255 wrote:

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DingdongButtguy#6942 wrote:

arbitrary mechanics designed to create artificial difficulty

Oh dear, it looks like you've mentioned the artificial difficulty meme, even though all difficulty is artificial since it's a video game. Maybe you meant to say "Thing I don't like."

By "artificial difficulty" is usually meant by adding stupid things like timed-1-shot mechanics, exponentially stacking hp instead of bringing in interesting mechanics, adding on-death effects etc etc.

Those things don't really "challenge" you but it becomes or of a battle of attrition.

Especially leveling in the end game.

Losing 20% of your XP ON TOP of you gaining like 1% per map is legit insanity. I can still play the game just fine but that's what i'd call artificial difficulty. Nothing changed, the nobs just get pushed up.

I still enjoy the game but artificial difficulty is definitely a thing in this game. Less so than usually in ARPGs.

Also i would call "Honor" mechanic extremely artificial. It doesn't bring a layer of difficulty, just annoyance. The early trial runs suck ass and later the entire thing becomes obsolete. It's just not good.

I've seen and done all the Early Access has to offer and can say it's a solid foundation that has potential.

It's not a souls-like game, it's more of a rogue-like/arpg hybrid.

The biggest problem I see is who comes back every 3 months to replay a rogue-like game. I can't bring myself to go through the campaign again it's simply to long winded but the expectation is I come back every 3-6 months for a league and run it back? I ran through it twice (Ranger & Sorc) and it's just the worst. I don't know how 3 more long winded acts replacing cruel is going to make that feel any better but I hope they take the feedback and shrink the maps down to speed it up.

The crafting is terrible.

The Atlas I hate. I hate trying to scroll around it, repeating the same 4-5 maps, repeating the same 3 activities. There is hardly anything that happens on the Atlas that in any way matters. It's like Starfield where every planet is RNG so you never really feel like you are a part of something bigger, but just exploring randomness.

Like the entire Atlas could be a dropdown menu and it would be a better experience overall. I could go on about the citadels, the punishment for failure, etc but it all just boils down to the end game is not very well designed at a foundational level.

Finally comes the loot. There is none. If you aren't buying your gear on Trade the entire loot loop is you run maps to pick up white/blues of your basetype and currency. That's it. Outside of the odd decent Unique everything you kill just drops currency, maps and garbage. It's no longer exciting to kill a boss for just more currency. And yes this is the same from T1 maps all the way to T16 hyper juiced.

It's all just casino tokens you cash in to RNG some gear.

Judging the game as it is at release (I don't care if it's EA, it's still a paid product) I would say you absolutely would get your money's worth out of what is available right now but I honestly would recommend most players just take a year away from the game and see how things look closer to launch.