SF (no solo) > SSF

I very much like the "self found" play. I personally don't think trading is any fun (especially when it becomes the kind of market place we have in standard poe). Also, by its nature, it invalidates bots, RMTs, people asking for price-chech in chats or offering services, and many other bs.

However, I'm not very fond of the "Solo" play. I mean, I dont mind playing solo, but i find it constraining that I cannot invite the nice people I come across to play together if I want.

Sure, I can get the friends I already have and play standard league with self-imposed tradeless, but I believe GGG would greatly benefit from allowing party play in "tradeless". I believe not just me, but many others would prefer to play this way.

My suggestion: Let's drop the "solo" and keep the "Self Found" alone, making it into "tradeless league" or some other name. Let us play as party.
Keep loots attached to the player (one player does not see whatever dropped for another, and vice versa).

Other minor suggestions:
- Increased currency drop on SSF so people can work on their gear a bit more (since they can't trade): https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3701413
- SSF realm chat (since Global is for both regular and SSF together)

I'd like to see the opposite where trade is allowed but partying is not

By SSF don't you mean making a farm SSF char with an unethical build to feed your other SSF char? SSF is a meme bro.

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Carinyc#0837 wrote:

By SSF don't you mean making a farm SSF char with an unethical build to feed your other SSF char? SSF is a meme bro.

By your argument, wouldn't regular realm be a much bigger meme?
Btw... "unethical build"? lol?

Also, weirdly enough, you didn't even touch the main point of my post (drop the Solo and keep the Self-Found only). But then again, I understand. You don't play/care about SSF in first place, so...

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auspexa#1404 wrote:

I'd like to see the opposite where trade is allowed but partying is not

Lol, right?
WHat about a realm where you can party and trade, but it doesn't drop anything? lmao.

Undoubtedly, accessing a league where trade is not a thing absolutely should not require forfeiting the ability to play the game with friends

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The_Song#4903 wrote:

Undoubtedly, accessing a league where trade is not a thing absolutely should not require forfeiting the ability to play the game with friends

My man here gets it *fist bump*

although its convoluted and a bit pricey, you can do this by paying for a private league. no characters in private leagues can trade or party with characters outside of the private league. so in essence, everyone in your private league is playing self-found. they all go to standard when the next league starts if that matters.

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The_Song#4903 wrote:

Undoubtedly, accessing a league where trade is not a thing absolutely should not require forfeiting the ability to play the game with friends

k.. so how would that work? can you swap gear with those friends? you can add anyone in a SF server as your 'friend'? can yu then make a public website that lists what your 'friends' are willing to swap? can you get those friends to help you farm pinnacle bosses when you need certain items? or is it all perma allocation and you are unable to drop gear anywhere even in a map?

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blazingoh#7373 wrote:

although its convoluted and a bit pricey, you can do this by paying for a private league. no characters in private leagues can trade or party with characters outside of the private league. so in essence, everyone in your private league is playing self-found. they all go to standard when the next league starts if that matters.

I didn't even know this was a thing. But even though this definitely IS an alternative, we still lose the possibility of meeting new/random people.

I think I'd still prefer to change SSF to just SF.