SF (no solo) > SSF

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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The_Song#4903 wrote:

Undoubtedly, accessing a league where trade is not a thing absolutely should not require forfeiting the ability to play the game with friends

k.. so how would that work? can you swap gear with those friends? you can add anyone in a SF server as your 'friend'? can yu then make a public website that lists what your 'friends' are willing to swap? can you get those friends to help you farm pinnacle bosses when you need certain items? or is it all perma allocation and you are unable to drop gear anywhere even in a map?

I think either I didn't undestand your point, or you didn't understand his.
He's saying that forbiding trade DOES NOT REQUIRE forbiding party play, which I agree. All that would remain is what to do with drops, to which I suggested to have drops be individual (one player does not see what drops for the other players).

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

All that remains is what to do with drops, to which I suggested to have drops be individual (one player does not see what drops for the other players).

pretty sure people will like to 'share drops/gear' next

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

All that remains is what to do with drops, to which I suggested to have drops be individual (one player does not see what drops for the other players).

pretty sure people will like to 'share drops/gear' next

A realm where you can play as a party AND share drops/gear? Isn't that what regular realm already is?

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

A realm where you can play as a party AND share drops/gear? Isn't that what regular real already is?

dunno man, back when i played with friend we would give each other gear that the other person can use- it was a big part of group play. back then no one traded with other ppl- that was party play. maybe shits diff now- dunno

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Carinyc#0837 wrote:

By SSF don't you mean making a farm SSF char with an unethical build to feed your other SSF char? SSF is a meme bro.

back before SSF was incorporated to POE, many including myself were against SSF.

simply because it added nothing to the game but just allow players a badge of honour.

many years later despite still seeing it as meaningless i would actually vouch for more options such as no partying or no trading.

more power to the players. it doesnt harm anyone. let people have their badges of honour

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

A realm where you can play as a party AND share drops/gear? Isn't that what regular real already is?

dunno man, back when i played with friend we would give each other gear that the other person can use- it was a big part of group play. back then no one traded with other ppl- that was party play. maybe shits diff now- dunno

The experience you described can still be achieved in normal realm

And btw, even "back when" there were those who would use the possibility of trading things among characters to make money by selling gear, carries, wtv people would pay for... Only difference now is that these guys became much better at it and it became a whole industry, and depending on how endemic it gets, it may break the economy (or even the game) completely.

That's why I rather play in SSF (even it being "solo")

Only thing I'm suggesting is to remove the Solo and keep the Self-Found as is (for it is the only reason why no one sells anything round here)

no to sound like a torll but The experience you described can still be achieved in normal realm. i kinda get it, i tested multiplayer here with a friend and next time I logged in he was clearing whole screens cuz he decided to 'help himself a bit'. but yeh- private leagues?

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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Carinyc#0837 wrote:

By SSF don't you mean making a farm SSF char with an unethical build to feed your other SSF char? SSF is a meme bro.

back before SSF was incorporated to POE, many including myself were against SSF.

simply because it added nothing to the game but just allow players a badge of honour.

many years later despite still seeing it as meaningless i would actually vouch for more options such as no partying or no trading.

more power to the players. it doesnt harm anyone. let people have their badges of honour

I'd be weirded out by anyone who'd tell me they play SSF to "show off their self-found gear as a badge of honour". Never saw anyone like that though (but I do not doubt they exist). Thats probably more the case for Hardcore players (and even more for Hardcore SSF), but regular SSF? It wouldn't make any sense to me.

I, for one, see the SF as an extra hassle that I only tolerate because the alternative is having to get along with botters, traders, trade chat, trade sites, and whatnot. I deeply dislike general trading (and crafting) in games, and i actively avoid it. If trading was fun to me, I'd play the stock market, or open a store... so SF gaming fits me just fine, even if it means I cannot trade with my friends (because even "friend trade only" is already enough for all the botting, and general trading to turn back on again).

And about your point of giving different players freedom to play their own way... I cannot agree more. We have the mouse/wasd movement as proof of it being awesome, no?

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

no to sound like a torll but The experience you described can still be achieved in normal realm. i kinda get it, i tested multiplayer here with a friend and next time I logged in he was clearing whole screens cuz he decided to 'help himself a bit'. but yeh- private leagues?

Heh. That would also be the case in SSF if you go offline and your friend keeps playing. There is no way around THAT xD

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

I'd be weirded out by anyone who'd tell me they play SSF to "show off their self-found gear as a badge of honour". Never saw anyone like that though (but I do not doubt they exist).

I, for one, see the SF as an extra hassle that I only tolerate because the alternative is having to get along with botters, traders, trade chat, trade sites, and whatnot. I deeply dislike general trading (and crafting) in games, and i actively avoid it. If trading was fun to me, I'd play the stock market, or open a store... so SF gaming fits me just fine, even if it means I cannot trade with my friends (because even "friend trade only" is already enough for all the botting, and general trading to turn back on again).

And about your point of giving different players freedom to play their own way... I cannot agree more.

back when it was a hot topic on the forums, the counterarguments of SSF deniers as myself were it adds totally ZERO value to the game because it literally just disables trading. and thats all you get.

in fact all you need to do as a standard/normal league players is NOT TRADE and you've got yourself an SSF playthru. which is why many people saw it as asking for a badge of honour.

also in poe1 many builds were SSF friendly and had less reliance on gear such as spell based skills. making farming easier, so it kinda takes away from any grandeur.



personally after playing poe2, i would prefer if ggg was more generous on the drops so i can play "ssf" in the sense i dont feel like i need to trade for upgrades. super specific items such as megalomaniac which has super high rng should be things players need to trade. but not being able to get upgrades to even "fix" your build is ridiculous.

but yeah, i've also changed. more power to the players! theres no reason to gatekeep unnecessarily