Last Epoch

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HomeTrlxx#3290 wrote:

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ReneGuenon#3515 wrote:

With an engine like LE has, there is not one chance until they upgrade it that it competes with POE2 or even D4.

You can cope with your favorite streamers(paid chill) during the week they will play it but it will stop there.

Their second season, they reached a peak of 80K and all is on steam.
There is no console or Bnet/GGG launcher.

I like LE but the gameplay/feeling is from 1985, graphism from 2005...
Wolcen in term of graphism and impact is mile ahead of LE.

From what I see is that LE has more players and much much better reviews on steam rn than poe 2 :) so stop coping.

POE2 is the better game. It has good players retention. Right now as I am typing this, the POE2 twitch viewership is 6.4k. Steamcharts players is 119k. And bear in mind that this is not including the numbers for standalone client. So many players playing on steam despite low viewership on twitch.

In contrast, LE only has 145k players on Steamcharts despite having twitch viewership of 79.4k. LE gameplay feels like plastic. I am unable to find a better description. Unless LE completely change the game engine, it will never overtake POE2 or D4.

My opinion is that over the next 2 weeks, the Steamcharts player numbers for LE will drop to below 10k. Yes, the number will drop to 4 digits.

Let's see what happens in 2 weeks time!

I see a lot of "hype" from people in various chats.

When I look at Last Epoch I can't personally understand what the draw is. I even tried to watch a couple live streams and I just don't see it.

Obviously if you enjoy it cool. Good for gamers to have choices. When I get bored I just go back to modding CP 2077.

LE is too nice, too limited and too clunky. Plays like some cheap old game, despite having some good ideas.

One week, maybe two, then they're all back at POE2.

Lets compare games by asking the game a simple question : "Can i do X? "

Last epoch "Can i do X" " Yes you can "

PoE 2 "Can i do X" " you could, but you have to do 3 other things to do that and also there is gonna be a downside to whatever that X thing is , and if you get unlucky you will fail anyway "

D4 "Can i do X" " Yes , but you dont even have to do it , we just give it to you"


Just pick your poison , PoE 2 just aint it for me , i want a power fantasy , not a struggle simulator .

These people are being overly optimistic. The number dropped from 800,000 to 120,000, and it's still going down. They’re acting like having 120,000 players is a good thing. But look at it this way: 730,000 players have left. The same thing is happening on other platforms too. Just check the PS subcategory and you'll see.

LE may have better loot and better crafting but I can't for the life of me convince myself to care about possessing any of these items. I tried. Without wanting the items it really doesn't matter how good they are. It bombs you with loot from the very beginning (and you're fighting fucking flowers? why, cause you are in a garden? Really creative) and you can basically just get by using any items. Sends a hundred items to the forge and I don't even know or care what they are. Just impossible to get invested in for me. No surprise to see many others sharing this opinion here

Unfortunately for LE impact gameplay is absolutely essential.

LE feels like a weightless mobile game. Maybe they can improve that somehow, but it seems more baked into the product than POE2's current mistuning of the loot drops, tree balance, etc. which is easily adjustable.

The actual gameplay of POE2 (and POE1) is already much better, it's mostly meta/balance stuff that needs adjusting, tuning, etc. but GGG does that stuff all the time, though not always perfectly (as seen in 0.2, Lake of Kalandra, etc.). They're generally good at recovering and correcting their major mistakes.

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Pislik#4755 wrote:

These people are being overly optimistic. The number dropped from 800,000 to 120,000, and it's still going down. They’re acting like having 120,000 players is a good thing. But look at it this way: 730,000 players have left. The same thing is happening on other platforms too. Just check the PS subcategory and you'll see.

Last Epoch or no, PoE Deuce players are leaving the game on a Friday night.

73,637 are playing this evening after being at 120k this afternoon. =0[.]o=

LE is too easy. It’s like D4. I also detest the art style and effects. So I’m all in on POE 2 personally. I have faith in the GGG team to right the course and make this game amazing. There’s already lots of good here and the game is far from being finished.

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stkmro#2432 wrote:

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HomeTrlxx#3290 wrote:

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ReneGuenon#3515 wrote:

With an engine like LE has, there is not one chance until they upgrade it that it competes with POE2 or even D4.

You can cope with your favorite streamers(paid chill) during the week they will play it but it will stop there.

Their second season, they reached a peak of 80K and all is on steam.
There is no console or Bnet/GGG launcher.

I like LE but the gameplay/feeling is from 1985, graphism from 2005...
Wolcen in term of graphism and impact is mile ahead of LE.

From what I see is that LE has more players and much much better reviews on steam rn than poe 2 :) so stop coping.

POE2 is the better game. It has good players retention. Right now as I am typing this, the POE2 twitch viewership is 6.4k. Steamcharts players is 119k. And bear in mind that this is not including the numbers for standalone client. So many players playing on steam despite low viewership on twitch.

In contrast, LE only has 145k players on Steamcharts despite having twitch viewership of 79.4k. LE gameplay feels like plastic. I am unable to find a better description. Unless LE completely change the game engine, it will never overtake POE2 or D4.

My opinion is that over the next 2 weeks, the Steamcharts player numbers for LE will drop to below 10k. Yes, the number will drop to 4 digits.

Let's see what happens in 2 weeks time!

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Not to destroy your vision but poe 2 pretty much lost what? close to 500k players from the peak. Thats a fucking lot. And LE gained close to 200k. And it fully depends on how the Endgame is in LE if they stay (ofc PoE nerds want to torture themself, sure just like in any toxic relationship) :)). I know most of you are biased here, but I am not since I havent been a fan of poe at all, and just activly started to like and play the arpg gerne with poe2 and my unbiased opinion is, if LE continues to update their game and make it more "playable" then it could, not kill, but damage the "poe title". Its not a fact, but highly likeable that it will happen, it all depends on the devs :). I will prolly come back to poe 2 when its 1.0 to see if its still trash or actually enjoyable.