Betrayal's Sting No Damage

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Timothy_GGG wrote:

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daveryanparnell#5174 wrote:

Hi Timothy,

You can check my character - YoureToxicBitches

Wearing two rings, damage feels no different to when rings are unequiped.

Hi, we saw a relative increase in kill time equal to the damage you gain from the rings in our testing on your character internally.

I don't know the particulars of how y'all do your internal testing, but is it possible this is an issue that can only be replicated on the live client? if your testing is done offline and the problem is caused by, say, desync issues, that could account for the disparity between players accounts and your own testing

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theio666#0908 wrote:

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Timothy_GGG wrote:

Hi everyone,

If you have a problem with this item on your current character let me know and I can look into it.

The mod on the item does deal damage from what we have tested internally (and on the live servers) and the average kill time with a poison build is directly proportional to the roll on the ring.

Hi Timothy,

Char is your_imaginary_gf (yeah sry for cringe nick).

I did some testing in blood aqueduct (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy9iJAGFs5o), and it looks like it does work for usual pconc, but I don't see 40% more dps in maps for pConc of bouncing. Maybe there be something wrong with poison stacks for subsequent chains for pConc of bouncing specifically?

Guess this is the problem. Clearly it works with the first hit on normal Pconc.

Or, it does apply with all hits, but not scale with player's stats?

Timothy, I just tested again. It is absolutely not working on pconc of bouncing. I can pull the rings off and my damage is identical, or so close I cannot tell a difference in kill speed even on slow to kill mobs. This should not be possible with 2 39% rings that should be giving me 78% more.

It appears it is not applying to the bouncing portion which is all of the damage for most builds using pconc.

My character is ChodeJeans.

This has also be tested by multiple streamers, it is not working.

It is likely pconc of bouncing from the testing, it looks like the ring is only working for the initial hit possibly. With pconc of bouncing the rings are not adding any noticeable damage.

https://youtu.be/BF5lHVMgkA4

Here is a video of me testing the ring (two of them to be precise) on a white t16 Atoll boss. I tried to remove any significant source of RNG.


My results are as follows:

Kill times from the moment the poison visual effect appears to the death of the boss.
Without rings: 6.816s.
With both rings: 5.616s.
So about 21% faster instead of the expected 77%.

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blacksunshine#2869 wrote:

https://youtu.be/BF5lHVMgkA4

Here is a video of me testing the ring (two of them to be precise) on a white t16 Atoll boss. I tried to remove any significant source of RNG.


My results are as follows:

Kill times from the moment the poison visual effect appears to the death of the boss.
Without rings: 6.816s.
With both rings: 5.616s.
So about 21% faster instead of the expected 77%.

Yeah, I saw something similar in my test. You could've removed 20% for 100% more ascendancy, as well as chance to wither ascendacy (and you'd need 0% quality pconc too), since both introduce random. But with the number of hits we do they should average out, and expected 77% more is clearly nowhere to be seen.

Right, I didnt want to buy an extra gem but I didnt think about the ascendancy.
I purposely removed some of the support gems to make the fight last a decent bit longer.
Considering I attack about 2 times a second, each attack hits 14 times, that's somewhere around 150 to 200 hits on those kills.
I'm fairly confident with that many hits, even with what little RNG is at play, we should get closer results to the expected 77% faster kill time.

Char Name: CynEABalls

Currently playing the transfigured gem Forbidden Rite of Soul Sacrifice, so if it turns out to be a trans gem situation please make sure to check into this one as well. I notice 0 difference from a 40% chance for double psn vs just a random rare ring.

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blacksunshine#2869 wrote:

Right, I didnt want to buy an extra gem but I didnt think about the ascendancy.
I purposely removed some of the support gems to make the fight last a decent bit longer.
Considering I attack about 2 times a second, each attack hits 14 times, that's somewhere around 150 to 200 hits on those kills.
I'm fairly confident with that many hits, even with what little RNG is at play, we should get closer results to the expected 77% faster kill time.

You may not have factored in that poison damage is stacking up over time. i.e. DPS in 2nd second is higher than 1st, 3rd > 2nd and so forth.

22% faster clear time should imply that sheet DPS is more than 22%. I didn't math it out but it could well be that sheet DPS is 77% higher.