What Will Happen When the Keepers League Ends

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BadAssTom#2893 wrote:

There would be two options if it goes core. Either it is nerfed massively in which case it will become useless and there is no reason to add it. Or it will still be spitting better items than what you can drop or craft for comparable amount of effort in which case it is harmful to the rest of the game. In both cases it is just bad.

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jackof8lades#6863 wrote:

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Elasmo#4487 wrote:

"Same ability" and "same build" are not even close to the same thing. And yes, there is very much something wrong with copying other's builds. You're having someone else play the game for you. It's ethically the same thing as botting.

This has got to be the most insane clownesk thing i have read on the forums in a long time.

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jackof8lades#6863 wrote:

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Elasmo#4487 wrote:

"Same ability" and "same build" are not even close to the same thing. And yes, there is very much something wrong with copying other's builds. You're having someone else play the game for you. It's ethically the same thing as botting.

This has got to be the most insane clownesk thing i have read on the forums in a long time.

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kuzka#2525 wrote:

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jackof8lades#6863 wrote:

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Elasmo#4487 wrote:

"Same ability" and "same build" are not even close to the same thing. And yes, there is very much something wrong with copying other's builds. You're having someone else play the game for you. It's ethically the same thing as botting.

This has got to be the most insane clownesk thing i have read on the forums in a long time.

His point (more or less) is that you're skipping the discovery and testing part of the game by looking at other people's builds, which is a decision that you made yourself to trivialize the game. It's pointing out that you have a problem with something that you perceive as trivializing the game, yet you yourself seem to do it, but in a different way. I don't know if you look at builds to check for mechanics, but it still is a form of trivializing and making it easier. Using PoB or any form of emulation/simulation/wikipedias is also, technically, making the game easier for you by trivializing some features.

You aren't forced to use the tree, just like you're not forced to check what builds other people did. When I get bored of the league, I usually make SSF character and use self-imposed rules. Like, no expedition crafting, maybe gems only from drops or mechanics but not vendors. And a random class.

Just look at rare items on poeninja (once you accept you trivialize the game for yourself too) that people use. Most of them, except for ES, are not made with a tree, because it can't roll special mods/bases/influences. ES items just happen to be strong with default mods, which is a problem with ES, not the tree.

Even without the tree people are done with T1-T16 progression in just a few hours, because of powergaming. Faustus gambling exists, 6 links from legion exist, and expedition crafting exists too. The only thing tree trivializes is that you no longer have to alteration spam + recombine ES items, which is for very specific builds anyways, because stacking ES for both defense and offense is simply op (or hp stacking with bog shaman in phrecia).

When a new league starts, I usually play for 2 hours, go to sleep (because it's like 1 am at that time), then I wake up and see people with lvl 90 in mid tiers, regardless of what the main league mechanic is. I have to accept that my pace is different because I actually have to work. So you can also accept that maybe you should be playing on ruthless rather than foaming at your mouth that a mechanic gives you an item with T1 rolls that do nothing for you anyways.