Abyss Enemies feel way too Overtuned

Since the first abyss I tried this season, It seemed they buffed all abyss enemies by a substantial amount, to the point there would legit be some impossible to kill abyss enemies

Some abyss's are no problem, the rares that emerge are hard but do-able, then theres the occasional abyss that just spawns a ridiculous amount of rares with some really unfair mods that just one shot

Massive laser beam that shreds HP, Enemy that digs spears into ground then erupts towards you, these attacks just seem like they have waaaay too much range

Then the abyss mod that just straight makes the rare invincible and undamageable while he can attack the entire time and you just have to drag him away / wait out the smoke cloud, even dragging away still undamagable

For the amount of effort some of these abyss's take vs others, Theres a large discrepancy and either very big bang for your buck/struggles, or absolutley nothing...

The harder the enemies, the more rares that emerge from abyss's should have a weight, the higher the weight the better the reward etc, but it doesnt seem this is the case

Some attacks from these rares really need damage tuned down, or some mods just shouldn't be compatible, abyss's don't feel as good as they did ;ast season, just substantially harder for little to nothing back...

Is the one that makes spears erupt from the ground, the same 1 that runs up to you and does 3 round bursts with the spears, then randomly stops moving seemingly for no reason, shortly after you spontaneously explode and wonder why?

That ability is kind of strange and hard to telegraph if you don't already see it coming.

My arch nemesis is the ice mage green death ray mob, playing as sorceress It 1 shots me when I get to higher tiers. It locks onto you like a robot, has pretty fast turn speed, can freeze you and does cold damage as well as chaos damage i'm pretty sure.

Its unfitting to me that an abyss creature can do cold damage. They might as well make the beam cause slow and give players the ability to roll out. If you freeze you're basically dead every time.

They have 1 shot me from off screen multiple times, there needs to be a way to telegraph it, there is no doubt that it will be directly on top of you every time because it has robot guided aim.

Telegraphing elite mob skills is harder because the same green color used for all of the mobs is the same color as their skills.

I'm literally grinding over 24 hours to level a chaos witch with CI just to combat abyss mobs. Someone gave me 10 abyss tablets for free for helping them speed run the interlude. My entire build will revolve around killing them without dying hopefully.

They are not overtuned.

Build and/or mods rolled on the map is the issue(s) here.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

They are not overtuned.

Build and/or mods rolled on the map is the issue(s) here.

Ok why do you disagree and what makes you think they are tuned properly?

I don't think you read the post as I'm talking about the abyss mods and enemies themselves, attacks and the mods they can spawn with, just because you disagree and don't think the same automatically makes everyone thinking the same thing and having similar experiences wrong lmfao?

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

Massive laser beam that shreds HP, Enemy that digs spears into ground then erupts towards you, these attacks just seem like they have waaaay too much range

Then the abyss mod that just straight makes the rare invincible and undamageable while he can attack the entire time and you just have to drag him away / wait out the smoke cloud, even dragging away still undamagable

Its regardless of the mods on map, I'm talking about the enemies themselves, the attacks etc + compatible monster mods

Map mods are not the issue here, If your farming abyss's you know what your getting into you wouldn't be using maps with garbo mods....

Hence why I say their a lil too over tuned, as I said, its not every abyss, I run the same map mods, its the occasional few that are just bunk, and rewards are just too inconsistent, harder enemies / more rares should reward you not punish, it was not like this previously, the buff feels a little too overtuned

So why do you think they aren't overtuned? What about the map mods and our builds are the issue?

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

Ok why do you disagree and what makes you think they are tuned properly?

Because there is nothing over the top about any of them.

They behave ... like normal mobs for the most part. With some sparse unique mods/abilities to give the mechanic an actual purpose.

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

I don't think you read the post as I'm talking about the abyss mods and enemies themselves,

I think if your post is massively different from this somehow:




Then your post needs to be titled something different.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

Ok why do you disagree and what makes you think they are tuned properly?

Because there is nothing over the top about any of them.

They behave ... like normal mobs for the most part. With some sparse unique mods/abilities to give the mechanic an actual purpose.


Then your post needs to be titled something different.

They behave like normal mobs?
Idk what "normal" mobs your talking about

Do you see normal mobs that shoot a chilling lazer beam when they aren't even on your screen that leads to instant death?

Do you see normal enemies randomly go invincible for ridiculously long amounts of time with really no consistency to it while also summoning a black cloud and lobbing purple AOE projectiles at you that can kill you in seconds?

Do you see normal enemies that lob spears into the ground very unpredictably that erupt and 1 shot?

Do you see normal enemies summon lightining bolts from a medium-far range that can 1 shot?

I've very properly titled the post as like I've said
They feel very overtuned, the abiltiies are cool, just overtuned...
I don't know why your feeling the need to take personal shots as I'm trying to have a productive conversation so kudos?

I like how you ignore the response and go an a tirade on basically what I said already.


Build issue or mods you rolled on the map.

Lets go down the list



1) Cold beam*



2) Void cloud*



3) Spears that leave a mark and erupt*



4) Some lightning ability that probably does no damage that I have no idea what you are even talking about here.




So to summarize. If you are getting one shot left and right.


Which are you admitting you are here.


By "Abyss enemies" and then how come I dont get one shot, and take nearly no damage from abyss at all?

Am I a god?

Or did I build my character(s) correctly?



Post your build/characters if you want an honest discussion. As I think things would become very apparent what the issues are once this critical "missing data" would reveal.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

I like how you ignore the response and go an a tirade on basically what I said already.

So to summarize. If you are getting one shot left and right.


Which are you admitting you are here.


By "Abyss enemies" and then how come I dont get one shot, and take nearly no damage from abyss at all?

Am I a god?

Or did I build my character(s) correctly?



Post your build/characters if you want an honest discussion. As I think things would become very apparent what the issues are once this critical "missing data" would reveal.

Ignored response? You said I inadequately titled my post? Can you read?
I'm saying abyss enemies feel too overtuned, so I'm not sure why you screenshotted the title with arrows pointing at it saying what I'm talking about is different from the title?

Because your experience seems to differ from the vast majority of other players and opinions of other players, It is immediatley a skill/build issue and invalidates everything they say

Why is it a build/skill issue?

Oh because "This mechanic does barely any damage, it shouldnt be killing you"

So if those attacks didn't do alot of damage, why don't rares one shot me just like those abilities xD

I know I'm not alone thinking this way, I'm not wasting any more of my time to try to get some random dude who could care less about what the fuck I say as his mind is made up, its just a skill issue on my part just like every other problem in this game lmfao, stop sitting in an echo chamber, sorry to burst your bubble but other people have different opinions and experiences, because you think differently doesn't invalidate those opinions, have a nice day

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

Because your experience seems to differ from the vast majority of other players and opinions of other players, It is immediatley a skill/build issue and invalidates everything they say

When it comes to the forums yea. Pretty much.

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

Why is it a build/skill issue?

Because I can handle them, and not even really notice it at all.


Again, Am I a god? Or did I build correctly?

Really is a single answer to this.


Avoiding this question is not helping your stance.

How come I can succeed and not even worry about all this stuff but you cant?

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Jobama#9902 wrote:

So if those attacks didn't do alot of damage, why don't rares one shot me just like those abilities xD

Because your build is lacking.

Or you are rolling mods you cant handle.


Said this originally.