new teaser support gem Congregation

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rafaelgxs#3673 wrote:

comparying to enhance and enlighting was a total miss tho.. they are utility ones.. of course they will *almost* never feature in DPS skills lol

about poison buildup isnt the case at all cuz u till build up weaker poisons, in the end it will be the same

the only thing u can get other than dps is AoE and defensive walls
and thats it

and my point is, you can just use a exceptional greater spell echo etc
and it will probably be better

i would expect that a minion exceptional gem would be at most times better than a random other dps exceptional gems, just that

as most ppl will use enlighten for auras and not enhance for example, cuz its focused on the reservation...

and for defensive, they will probably make one lke poe 2 that makes minions imune to damage but not able to attack as well for example
that for example is a clear winner

Dude.....to be blunt, you are just plain wrong. Like about all of this. Your inexperience with minions writ large is showing. There isn't a nicer way to put it here.

I'll end with this thought: what makes you think that Congregation ISN'T the same "utility-style" gem as enlighten? Why have you come to, and narrowed your entire view to that conclusion out of all possible conclusions for the gem's purpose? The description of the gem is simply "x% more minions from supported skills". Nowhere in that description is it telling you its meant STRICTLY for dps. Even the quality doesn't add "dps".....it adds minion speed. Answer that question for yourself and then revisit this entire thread. This is your main problem and lack of understanding here.


"the only thing u can get other than dps is AoE and defensive walls
and thats it" ----> man, if Ghazzy or any real minion users wanted to take a deep dive into all the things wrong with this comment.....we'd be in for a very long thread.

The entire spectre bank says hi.
The animated guardian says hi.
Golems say hi.
etc. etc.
More often than not, all of these focus on NONE of things you just said are "the only options"

I did the quikmafs, and by league's end I will be running 7 holy relics alongside my usual 4 spectres and a guardian.

Gonna see if I can push delve 5000 with it.

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Bigwilleh#1842 wrote:

my usual 4 spectres

why not 5 spectres?

Don't forget: you can ALSO save another gem slot on basically every active skill by getting a support enchant on it.

Support spectres: Get a spectre gem with meat shield or something on it, 1 or 2 defensive supports, another congregation gem. Even though guardian may not benefit from congregation, he can still be in the same defensive links, along with his own enchanted support.

That support gem = an entire extra aura via an additional spectre. Or some other crazy tech.


Oh but ofc....the dps...huehuehue

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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rafaelgxs#3673 wrote:

comparying to enhance and enlighting was a total miss tho.. they are utility ones.. of course they will *almost* never feature in DPS skills lol

about poison buildup isnt the case at all cuz u till build up weaker poisons, in the end it will be the same

the only thing u can get other than dps is AoE and defensive walls
and thats it

and my point is, you can just use a exceptional greater spell echo etc
and it will probably be better

i would expect that a minion exceptional gem would be at most times better than a random other dps exceptional gems, just that

as most ppl will use enlighten for auras and not enhance for example, cuz its focused on the reservation...

and for defensive, they will probably make one lke poe 2 that makes minions imune to damage but not able to attack as well for example
that for example is a clear winner

Dude.....to be blunt, you are just plain wrong. Like about all of this. Your inexperience with minions writ large is showing. There isn't a nicer way to put it here.

I'll end with this thought: what makes you think that Congregation ISN'T the same "utility-style" gem as enlighten? Why have you come to, and narrowed your entire view to that conclusion out of all possible conclusions for the gem's purpose? The description of the gem is simply "x% more minions from supported skills". Nowhere in that description is it telling you its meant STRICTLY for dps. Even the quality doesn't add "dps".....it adds minion speed. Answer that question for yourself and then revisit this entire thread. This is your main problem and lack of understanding here.


"the only thing u can get other than dps is AoE and defensive walls
and thats it" ----> man, if Ghazzy or any real minion users wanted to take a deep dive into all the things wrong with this comment.....we'd be in for a very long thread.

The entire spectre bank says hi.
The animated guardian says hi.
Golems say hi.
etc. etc.
More often than not, all of these focus on NONE of things you just said are "the only options"

i meant that for the gem, not for the entire minion database lol, btw u dont even know me to say about my knowledge haha, but whatever

as of right now, only usable thing for me will be using it for support spectres so instead of 4 diferent buffs i can get 5 diferent buffs for a diferent minion to be the main dps source etc

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Bigwilleh#1842 wrote:

I did the quikmafs, and by league's end I will be running 7 holy relics alongside my usual 4 spectres and a guardian.

Gonna see if I can push delve 5000 with it.

7 holy relics with 4 spectres?
are you sure?

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Bigwilleh#1842 wrote:

my usual 4 spectres

why not 5 spectres?

Don't forget: you can ALSO save another gem slot on basically every active skill by getting a support enchant on it.

Support spectres: Get a spectre gem with meat shield or something on it, 1 or 2 defensive supports, another congregation gem. Even though guardian may not benefit from congregation, he can still be in the same defensive links, along with his own enchanted support.

That support gem = an entire extra aura via an additional spectre. Or some other crazy tech.


Oh but ofc....the dps...huehuehue

and im the one that doesnt undestand about the game.. u CANT use 2 diferent skill gems with enchanted support in the same link.. but oh ofc... the dude that doesnt understand about the game..

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rafaelgxs#3673 wrote:

i meant that for the gem, not for the entire minion database lol, btw u dont even know me to say about my knowledge haha, but whatever

I am judging your knowledge on exactly what you are writing here in this public forum. I don't need to have any personal knowledge of you specifically to know you lack experience (or "correct" experience) with minions. You are illustrating that fact for us with your own words.

You still do not seem to understand. The gem does NOT exist only for your build. It exists for ALL minion builds, the entire minion database. You saying you "meant for the gem, not the minion database" is a statement that makes zero sense.

If someone writes confidently in a forum that a piano has 75 keys, and that they play it with their feet.....i don't need to know anything about them personally to know they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about when it comes to piano.


While it may be true that for your NARROW singular example....using this gem may not be better than spell echo, going solely on dps of your specific main minion, and if those two gems were the only two choices you had to make. That isn't a reason to completely redesign the gem, and completely ignore the other 99 scenarios where it IS monstrously good for minions, comparable in damage, or even incomparably better than any other option available.

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rafaelgxs#3673 wrote:

and im the one that doesnt undestand about the game.. u CANT use 2 diferent skill gems with enchanted support in the same link.. but oh ofc... the dude that doesnt understand about the game..

I guess I need to clarify one of the basic principles of PoE? I would be careful with the personal attacks...

4L typical support minion setup = AG, Spectre, 2 x defensive supports (or empower).

New setup: AG (corrupted with defense support), Spectre (corrupted with defense support), 1 x defense support (or empower), 1 congregation (for +1 spectre). Even though AG doesn't benefit from congregation, he still has pretty much the SAME defensive setup as pre-3.28 setups because he will be enchanted with the support that would have gone in the link that congregation now takes.
No net loss of sockets (in traditionaly socket-starved minion builds), same or comparable stats PLUS a whole extra spectre.

You could even get TWO extra spectres, 5 base (3 gem, 1 tree, 1 delve gear) + 40+% level 4 corrupted congregation. You probably wouldn't do that if you were going for dps minions because those builds tend to require specific chests, but its still possible if you can fit it in.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

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Bigwilleh#1842 wrote:

my usual 4 spectres

why not 5 spectres?

Don't forget: you can ALSO save another gem slot on basically every active skill by getting a support enchant on it.

Support spectres: Get a spectre gem with meat shield or something on it, 1 or 2 defensive supports, another congregation gem. Even though guardian may not benefit from congregation, he can still be in the same defensive links, along with his own enchanted support.

That support gem = an entire extra aura via an additional spectre. Or some other crazy tech.


Oh but ofc....the dps...huehuehue

The thing about relics is you hit a point where you don't need more spectres, even 3 is kindof enough tbh. Since relics cannot scale with attack or cast speed and don't need to move ever, and you build for pure chaos damage to get around reflect, you end up using a pain artist and a tiger to get zealotry and frenzy charges, and the rest of the spectres are defensive.

My standard load is pain artist, tiger, warlord, and turtle.

I'll tell you what I am eminently curious about however is what happens if you attach an animate guardian to a level 7 convening gem.