free unlimited respec on passive skill (or a sandboxed Free Unlimited Respecs League)

well it should be free but lets say you pay somehing like 10 gold items and then you can respec your skills. that would be really great.

since i dont really like this huge skill tree its reall, really hard for me to "test" out what is best for me.

Diablo 2 introduced a respec system in one of the later patches and it sucked.

Akara, an NPC from the first act provided a respec once per difficulty, so each character essentially had 3 free respecs. Beyond that, you could gather a few rare items and then get more respecs.

The result? People would play a certain build early on because it was more powerful and then respec afterwards at higher levels.

For example, if one wanted to master a level 30 skill, they would pump points into a lower level skill until they hit 30, then respec.

It kind of ruined the whole point of working towards a build for me.

The same would happen in POE, and again, it would defeat the purpose of working towards a character build.

Leave the system as it is.

I have to say I don't get the "I don't have time to play the game so give me everything available at once" mentality.

If you don't have time to actually play the game what does it matter which build you spec your char to, or how often you easily change it about?

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ManiaCCC wrote:

Well, my experience from different respec systems is that accessibility is actually affecting diversity. If respec is pretty limited, most players tend to play a safe path and in the end there are just few used builds with few weirdos here and there.

If respec system is pretty much free, players are not afraid to experiment and actually it's much more difficult to find people with same or similar builds.. people are really having fun with their stupid and weird builds and trying to beat the game and see how far they can get with their builds.

So if you will look at it from this point of view, respec league could be easily more "hardcore" than default league..

My experience is totally different. You first character will be the most safe build. But when you finish him you have learned the system and can experiment. If there is free respect, your not experimenting, you searching for best possible build, and in the end all will have same build. You will see a build from another and copy it on the moment. Free respect is stupid to have in this game, and im glad that it willl never hapen. For leagues i dont care, you can fly and have god mode in them, just don't touch the default league

I have yet to see game with limited respec to have better diversity in character builds.. The most recently, when I am comparing D3 and PoE betas, i see much more similar or same builds in PoE compared to D3.. jsut saying.

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I have to say I don't get the "I don't have time to play the game so give me everything available at once" mentality.

If you don't have time to actually play the game what does it matter which build you spec your char to, or how often you easily change it about?

Maybe one day, when you really will be buys for various reasons, you will understand this. And it's not about getting everything. It's about a option to enjoy the game without doing the un-fun parts.

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ManiaCCC wrote:

I have yet to see game with limited respec to have better diversity in character builds.. The most recently, when I am comparing D3 and PoE betas, i see much more similar or same builds in PoE compared to D3.. jsut saying.

I would bet that D3 will start having very similar cookie-cutter builds once there is content worth building towards and people figure out what works best for it. This happens in every character-building game.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

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ManiaCCC wrote:

I have yet to see game with limited respec to have better diversity in character builds.. The most recently, when I am comparing D3 and PoE betas, i see much more similar or same builds in PoE compared to D3.. jsut saying.

I would bet that D3 will start having very similar cookie-cutter builds once there is content worth building towards and people figure out what works best for it. This happens in every character-building game.

I beg to differ :) yes..we will see more more cookie cutter builds..because.. min maxers can't be stopped anyway, but I am perfectly sure, If PoE will keep current respec system for every league, D3 will be more diverse game if we are talking about character builds.

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oblomir wrote:

I have to say I don't get the "I don't have time to play the game so give me everything available at once" mentality.

If you don't have time to actually play the game what does it matter which build you spec your char to, or how often you easily change it about?

Err no. People aren't saying they don't have enough time to play the game at all, or they want everything at once. Don't make up ridiculous satire when your trying to argue a point against something. It's just there are a lot of people with limited time, which means they don't want to feel like they're are wasting time. Having no usual re-spec option brings with it the potability of facing a long halt in game progression. Which isn't too appealing a prospect for some people.

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ManiaCCC wrote:

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I have to say I don't get the "I don't have time to play the game so give me everything available at once" mentality.

If you don't have time to actually play the game what does it matter which build you spec your char to, or how often you easily change it about?

Maybe one day, when you really will be buys for various reasons, you will understand this. And it's not about getting everything. It's about a option to enjoy the game without doing the un-fun parts.

If you don't like repeatedly hitting baddies in the hopes of shinies bursting forth, then I'm not sure what part of the game you wouldn't consider un-fun.

Anyway, I'm not against a downy-soft softcore League, but I definitely wouldn't want painless respec'ing added to any of the proper Leagues!

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ManiaCCC wrote:

I have yet to see game with limited respec to have better diversity in character builds..

My experience is completely different from yours.

Easy respec games like WoW and GW for example have cookie cutter builds which are expected at end and everybody, and I do mean everybody specs to those.

To run around with a suboptimal build in WoW is to invite abuse from other players.

On the other hand if you look around PoE abit you'll see a wide variety of weird builds, and a bunch of people actually thinking about building their chars and planning them out(which is kinda the point of the game really), instead of just copying the one considered "best".

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ManiaCCC wrote:

The most recently, when I am comparing D3 and PoE betas, i see much more similar or same builds in PoE compared to D3.. jsut saying.

Diverse builds in D3 beta?
Are you in some extended beta that the rest of us aren't?

Because the "pick skill A or skill B", which is what the scope of character building in the D3 beta boils down to, I wouldn't exactly call that very diverse...

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ManiaCCC wrote:

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I have to say I don't get the "I don't have time to play the game so give me everything available at once" mentality.

If you don't have time to actually play the game what does it matter which build you spec your char to, or how often you easily change it about?

Maybe one day, when you really will be buys for various reasons, you will understand this. And it's not about getting everything. It's about a option to enjoy the game without doing the un-fun parts.

If you don't like repeatedly hitting baddies in the hopes of shinies bursting forth, then I'm not sure what part of the game you wouldn't consider un-fun.

Anyway, I'm not against a downy-soft softcore League, but I definitely wouldn't want painless respec'ing added to any of the proper Leagues!

Many people just don't like rerolling characters to see if "that" build can be fun and effective. For many it's waste of time..just building character from the ground through content they already played and experienced. This is true for both casuals and hardcore players.. okey..you think it's fun..so go ahead and reroll, I think no-one will call you stupid just because you like rerolling. But you shouldn't blindly call this playstyle downy-soft or somehow insult these players.