Is the problem Jonathan?

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Ok, so... why has PoE2 obviously less build diversity compared to PoE1?

Are you literally trolling right now? I've literally said why in that post, another guy also pointed it out for you in between. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

So, there is no build diversity in PoE2 because ppl just copy the build from streamers? How does it come that we have build diversity in PoE1? Shouldn't all the ppl just copy streamers there too?

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

I mean, in 0.1 alone I had in end game an Infernalist, a Blood Mage, a Deadeye, a Pathfinder, a Warbinger, a Gemling, an Invoker, a Stormweaver and multiple other ones in early maps, all with multiple self-made builds, so yeah... I am someone who tests a lot.
This patch? I went for an Amazon because Ritualist was a buggy mess and lost interest pretty early, and a Lich where I tried multiple minion builds and played Essence Drain.

I've asked you about this patch and you proceed to tell me about last patch. Good start.

So you tried the new thing (Huntress) and the new thing (lich) and NOTHING ELSE and then complain about build diversity. Good stuff.

Oh but wait, you've given me some more key information here, you used essence drain. Surely not a skill used by everyone after seeing other people use it no? Oh.. wait..

Yes. Crazy. I tried to new stuff this patch first, when I basically played everything else in the patch before. Mind-blowing.

And I don't played more characters because the patch isn't good. It's that simple.

Btw, that I played "Essence Drain" on a Lich has nothing to do with it being "meta". You know, if you would think for a second, you would see the obvious synergy of ED/C and Lich.

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Hyperspacing#5593 wrote:

Most of the folks not having fun are the POE 1 veterns who are shocked its not POE 1. At least from what I see from people screaming into the void.


GGG also listens to the people who give critiques are always quick to act.

Lets hope for all our sakes that they find the middle ground here and get both sides enjoying the game, as it should be.

Just as an addition i was never sold the game as poe 1 take 2
I was under the impression it was going to be a stand alone game, yet here we are with poe 1 at its core with better graphics but same ole end game and trials etc

If it looks like poe 1, acts like poe 1 and talks like poe 1 then its odds on folk are going to assume its poe 1

As i said my only gripe has been the campaign. Its not difficult, but at the difficutly level they have set for it then it is not rewarding, completely frustrating and didnt excite to play it again with another character.
Replayability was how poe 1 became such a leader in the genre.
I would love to hope POE 2 can find that same secret sauce again.

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Skexis#6192 wrote:

NOBODY likes trials. Nobody.

I like Sekhemas. Ultimatum not so much.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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IonSugeRau1#1069 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Ok, so... why has PoE2 obviously less build diversity compared to PoE1?

Are you literally trolling right now? I've literally said why in that post, another guy also pointed it out for you in between. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

So, there is no build diversity in PoE2 because ppl just copy the build from streamers? How does it come that we have build diversity in PoE1? Shouldn't all the ppl just copy streamers there too?

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

I mean, in 0.1 alone I had in end game an Infernalist, a Blood Mage, a Deadeye, a Pathfinder, a Warbinger, a Gemling, an Invoker, a Stormweaver and multiple other ones in early maps, all with multiple self-made builds, so yeah... I am someone who tests a lot.
This patch? I went for an Amazon because Ritualist was a buggy mess and lost interest pretty early, and a Lich where I tried multiple minion builds and played Essence Drain.

I've asked you about this patch and you proceed to tell me about last patch. Good start.

So you tried the new thing (Huntress) and the new thing (lich) and NOTHING ELSE and then complain about build diversity. Good stuff.

Oh but wait, you've given me some more key information here, you used essence drain. Surely not a skill used by everyone after seeing other people use it no? Oh.. wait..

Yes. Crazy. I tried to new stuff this patch first, when I basically played everything else in the patch before. Mind-blowing.

And I don't played more characters because the patch isn't good. It's that simple.

Btw, that I played "Essence Drain" on a Lich has nothing to do with it being "meta". You know, if you would think for a second, you would see the obvious synergy of ED/C and Lich.

There is ton of build diversity in this game. People need to realize that just cause streamers do it doesn't means it meta or the only path forward. Just play the damn game, explore what you want to do, and figure how to make it work. Sometimes you end up being underpowered and GGG made it so easy to respec the entire tree.

its one league. they've heard the feedback. the next one will be better. simple as that. poe2 is not doomed. Jonathan is not some eldritch demon that the rest of the dev team is keeping at bay. just keep the constructive criticism up and don't be hateful and the game will improve.

tell that to all the people that quit to never come back. 500k player all time high to season 2 240k 14 days later 110k and dropping. people are reviewing it on steam and its not good. people where un happy in Jan asking for glitches and more to be fixed nothing happen.

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Skexis#6192 wrote:

The trials.

The trials are just AWFUL.

I don't even care about getting the next two trials done.

The debuffs are way, way, way, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too strong. The honor bullshit is such a massive L. I was about to enter the final boss room on the third trial for my third set of points, and AFTER A LAG i got caught in one of those fireball stream traps. it took my honor from 99% to 0, and the whole trial failed.

And you have to start all over.

I'm so done with this shit.

NOBODY likes trials. Nobody.

Yep. Trials are unbearable.

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GIBAS1996#4295 wrote:

I at first hated the trials but after playing them for awhile i like them. There is some tuning to be done but i see common mistakes people still make like just walking around traps or running through traps in hopes to magically ignore damage. I almost never see anyone roll through traps that are not ground based traps like the mines. Once you actually start understanding how the traps work you no longer worry about such things.

Chaos trials are a little different as there is no reward until you kill the boss of the floors. Chaos trials are the only trials needing a heavy rework as current corruption is pointless as a base item drop/reward

Glad someone likes it, but an opinion from person who loves sanctum, new version is total trash. They changed it for the sake of changing it, but it is way way less exiting now imho.

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Hyperspacing#5593 wrote:

There is ton of build diversity in this game. People need to realize that just cause streamers do it doesn't means it meta or the only path forward. Just play the damn game, explore what you want to do, and figure how to make it work. Sometimes you end up being underpowered and GGG made it so easy to respec the entire tree.

Good luck with trying to make a build work because you think the skill is cool, only to find out that after a longer time and investment, this skill leads you nowhere.
You know, not everyone has as much time as I, who can spend hundreds of hours per league with multiple characters and a dozen builds or is a long-term PoE vet who already created countless builds, thus knows how to make something work.
If you don't have enough early game build diversity, you will funnel most ppl into the same builds in the long run.
Did all the ppl switch to Amazon because she is the strongest in end game? No. She isn't. Ppl switched to Amazon because her progression to the end game is, compared to most other things, good.

And changing your build isn't the easiest thing either. Sure, gold respec is a thing, but what is with items, or skill gems, or spirit gems, or the ascendancy?
Let's say you started "Lich - Spectres" and found out, it's ass. Try to transition to "Essence Drain" if you don't have chaos-related items, the needed spirit gems, or have to complete the trial again because you want to go for another ascendancy.

Furthermore, the question was not "Am I, a PoE vet, able to make builds work?" because that's not an issue. The question is "How does it come that the build diversity in PoE1 is far greater compared to PoE2?" (in relation to the claim about streamers).

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tebbbi#9392 wrote:

its one league. they've heard the feedback. the next one will be better. simple as that. poe2 is not doomed. Jonathan is not some eldritch demon that the rest of the dev team is keeping at bay. just keep the constructive criticism up and don't be hateful and the game will improve.

Here are two key problems with this way of thinking.

1. This is not some brand new ARPG, they do in fact have years of POE development behind their backs and yet they make same mistake that were already fixed in POE.
2. The more important one. They $#%#@@ poe on the altar of poe2, and that makes it perfectly reasonable to be angry about it.
3. Oh and i have every intention to show what i think about it with my wallet.