Is the problem Jonathan?

+1
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thats not good.
game is unfinished? huh?
we have: +1 weapon type, +4 ascendancies, +100500 support gems, +100500 new uniques....
and guess what?
meta builds reduced from 2 to 1. viable builds reduced from 10+ to 3. 2 of them with spear.



That sums it up. Somehow in 0.2 we have even less actually good builds and even that was after LS buff. It is mind blowing that there are SO many classes and builds, but most them are actually really bad. Or it takes a lot currency and farming to even be as good as LS build. So we have many problems, less loot drops, a lot less currency and few meta builds are good rest are below average.
Last edited by Void_Mastah#3161 on Apr 20, 2025, 6:46:09 PM
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thats not good.
game is unfinished? huh?
we have: +1 weapon type, +4 ascendancies, +100500 support gems, +100500 new uniques....
and guess what?
meta builds reduced from 2 to 1. viable builds reduced from 10+ to 3. 2 of them with spear.



THere are literally hundreds of builds in end-game content right now...what are you on about? Just cause your favorite streamer says it doesn't make it so.
Last edited by Hyperspacing#5593 on Apr 20, 2025, 7:42:28 PM
Jonathan: Your idea is good, but I don't think it's cool.
this guy is on righteous rampage
+1 to all hi said.
no
make it 1k
@IonSugeRau1#1069

SO, I actually checked the links you provided. FIrst off, kinda a wierd flex to post references to several well known streamers while flexing that everyone else needs to copy builds from "streamers". Also, out of these vids.. 2 builds that require bleed and two build using LS and/or spear.....so basically variants which use similar methods of application in different ways.

Sure, there's a handful of builds smashing endgame right now, and literally 65%-70% are using spears (and i kinda get it bc devs need raw tested data to get spears right)

However, calling this diversity....IDK.

in .1 You had literally DOZENS of builds capable of smashing endgame, and over a dozen doing so at a GOD TIER LEVEL....

I think the point people are making about diversity is that you arent seeing many mage builds at all this season minus a couple that are beyond C+-B+ tier.

ALMOST EVERY META revolves around PSN/BLEED/SPEARS (not all, almost)

Looking at a POE skill tree, dozens of new skills, supports, gems, items, and seeing 7-10 builds crawl out as a META/ A+ Tier build, is hardly "DIVERSITY"

Diversity is seeing people do different things from ALL PERSPECTIVES ranging from minions-melee-slow smash-speed smash-ranged attack- elemental melee-elemental caster- chaos- bleed etc....

There should be numerous builds from almost every corner popping up on top. THis game isn't that difficult, and YOU are most definitely NOT the best player in POE2, so please stop being so condescending to everyone who disagrees with you....

I do see your point in small portions, as people do tend to complain quick and jump on "bandwagons", but to say this season was a success in the field of "diversity" is a joke.

FYI, I havent even made a huntress or a lich yet. I beat everything on BM Crit build that i did myself. It isnt the best in the game by far, but it got the job done okay. Is it frustrating to see someone just slap on a new spear and do x4 more dps though with a "cookie cutter" concept of basically every other spear build and/or psn/bleed, yes, but at least I built it myself with no guide etc.

I think the point ppl are making that you are ignoring or too arrogant to hear is that they would prefer not to see so much nerfed to the floor, see equal representation across numerous classes/ascendancies, rather than see a select handful out of the thousands of possibilities, bc that is EXACTLY how it SHOULD BE!
There should be WAYYYYY more meta, and with ALOT OF THEM doing very different things as well as variants doing the same but on a diff class.....not what we got in .2

but hey, even POE1 and D2 took alot longer than people remember to get right to the point where they were held to such high regard. There is hope for alot of us, until we hear Johnathan and his tendency to have that "i know best even though i clearly am not playing the game too much myself" mentality. Alot of vision talk sounds oooooh so familiar to "dont you guys have phones?!"
Alot of times, not always, but alot of times, when you see probably like 80% of the same things being said from your community of players.....it is probably the direction you should go for you "FANBASE". In business, its about the majority, and sometimes that means letting go or altering your own "Vision".
Last edited by D00MBR1NGER#1746 on Apr 20, 2025, 10:28:58 PM
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@IonSugeRau1#1069

SO, I actually checked the links you provided. FIrst off, kinda a wierd flex to post references to several well known streamers while flexing that everyone else needs to copy builds from "streamers". Also, out of these vids.. 2 builds that require bleed and two build using LS and/or spear.....so basically variants which use similar methods of application in different ways.

Sure, there's a handful of builds smashing endgame right now, and literally 65%-70% are using spears (and i kinda get it bc devs need raw tested data to get spears right)

However, calling this diversity....IDK.

in .1 You had literally DOZENS of builds capable of smashing endgame, and over a dozen doing so at a GOD TIER LEVEL....

I think the point people are making about diversity is that you arent seeing many mage builds at all this season minus a couple that are beyond C+-B+ tier.

ALMOST EVERY META revolves around PSN/BLEED/SPEARS (not all, almost)

Looking at a POE skill tree, dozens of new skills, supports, gems, items, and seeing 7-10 builds crawl out as a META/ A+ Tier build, is hardly "DIVERSITY"

Diversity is seeing people do different things from ALL PERSPECTIVES ranging from minions-melee-slow smash-speed smash-ranged attack- elemental melee-elemental caster- chaos- bleed etc....

There should be numerous builds from almost every corner popping up on top. THis game isn't that difficult, and YOU are most definitely NOT the best player in POE2, so please stop being so condescending to everyone who disagrees with you....

I do see your point in small portions, as people do tend to complain quick and jump on "bandwagons", but to say this season was a success in the field of "diversity" is a joke.

FYI, I havent even made a huntress or a lich yet. I beat everything on BM Crit build that i did myself. It isnt the best in the game by far, but it got the job done okay. Is it frustrating to see someone just slap on a new spear and do x4 more dps though with a "cookie cutter" concept of basically every other spear build and/or psn/bleed, yes, but at least I built it myself with no guide etc.

I think the point ppl are making that you are ignoring or too arrogant to hear is that they would prefer not to see so much nerfed to the floor, see equal representation across numerous classes/ascendancies, rather than see a select handful out of the thousands of possibilities, bc that is EXACTLY how it SHOULD BE!
There should be WAYYYYY more meta, and with ALOT OF THEM doing very different things as well as variants doing the same but on a diff class.....not what we got in .2

but hey, even POE1 and D2 took alot longer than people remember to get right to the point where they were held to such high regard. There is hope for alot of us, until we hear Johnathan and his tendency to have that "i know best even though i clearly am not playing the game too much myself" mentality. Alot of vision talk sounds oooooh so familiar to "dont you guys have phones?!"
Alot of times, not always, but alot of times, when you see probably like 80% of the same things being said from your community of players.....it is probably the direction you should go for you "FANBASE". In business, its about the majority, and sometimes that means letting go or altering your own "Vision".


Reddit,the forum, and a couple streamers are not the "majority".
GGG Stopped development of Path of Exile, to make Path of Exile 2, a game not for Path of Exile players.

Who would have thought that would be a disaster ?
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. " ~ Hunter S Thompson ~
Yes. Next question?
Reddit,the forum, and a couple streamers are not the "majority".


NO, but recent steam reviews, forums do count especially when its a trend across dozens and dozens of posts, more than a "few streamers" denial coping hard on that one, and basically alot of discords, guilds, etc all seem to share a similar opinion on aspects of .2

So yeah, it is what it is man.

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