General Discussion - Vaal skills are basically a giant noob trap. - Forum

So much talk, and ofcoz the real good player will find out the best way to use this new system effectively as soon as it release. Just like everybody went for certain builds after someone come up with an awesome idea. The new content is not fully reveal yet why you throw a conclusion so early?	Posted by StygianSoul#3560 on Feb 26, 2014, 12:45:48 AM Quote this Post
Chris said we will find out what corrupted does on Friday when they release the rest of the info on the expansion. We won't know what the drawbacks to corruption are until then.	Posted by Joe959#0981 on Feb 26, 2014, 12:48:06 AM Quote this Post
" CharanJaydemyr wrote: " Joe959 wrote: You should go back to the video and listen to what Chris is saying when he starts talking about the Vaal skill gems. He says "Vaal skills however are ancient and brutal and charge up as you kill the enemy so as i kill monsters i get the ability to use a more powerful version of the skill" He's saying the VAAL skill gems charge up when THEY are used and then let you use a more powerful version of the skill. You don't use a regular skill gem to power up then the Vaal gem to unleash the more powerful version. You do both with the 1 gem. So you don't to use extra gem slots to use the powerful new version of the spell. The Vaal gem casts both versions. The downside to using the Vaal gems is they are corrupted, we don't know what corruption does yet. So you get the powerful cast every couple minutes but at a cost. See my edit. If you rely on the vaal skill then you have no choice but to use the empowered version once it is ready, regardless of the situation. They could use a modifier key. So you have to hold down a certain button while hitting the normal keybind for it to go off.	Posted by Telzen#2427 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:09:24 AM Quote this Post
@Charan Some clarification, are corrupted gems and vaal gems one in the same? " CharanJaydemyr wrote: " Veta321 wrote: " Worldbreaker wrote: If the gem can't be used when on CD, I would have to agree. However, they could be useful for trigger gems. Don't you know? Honestly thought alpha players have seen all this content. As if this thread doesn't have enough stupid assumptions. How is that a stupid assumption? Why do Alpha players have an NDA on SOTV material if they haven't seen it? Or have they only seen part of it? Your terse rebuke is none too appreciated. Want to Fix the Economy, Bad Loot, Trade and Legacy PvP? pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/548056 Open Letter to Qarl on Crafting Value pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/805434 Biggest Problem with Mapping: Inconsistent Risk to Reward pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/612507 Last edited by Veta321#3815 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:15:27 AM	Posted by Veta321#3815 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:10:59 AM Quote this Post
Not really a noob trap. They seem to be the same gems we have now, just with an extra benefit. Calling them noob trap would be like calling Rares/Uniques items noob traps. I mean, all Rare/unique items are simply white items with extra benefits.	Posted by Rafein#2354 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:29:20 AM Quote this Post
Thank god the forums still exist. If this was posted on reedit it would mindlessly get down voted by fankids before they post a few mom insults towards OP	Posted by xXx_EliteHardcorePro_xXx#0045 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:31:21 AM Quote this Post
" Terrornoid wrote: " GrammerPolise wrote: tl;dr Also I lol'd at "noob trap" 8/10 If you can't take the time to read, don't take the time to post your bullshit. You are the reason GGG prefers Reddit. Seems to be the opposite, actually. Your OP is critical and provides potential flaws with PoE. Reddit is a haven from criticism ruled by white knights, whats not to love? "just for try, for see and for know"	Posted by jdilly23#2851 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:31:52 AM Quote this Post
The balance of the gems certainly is a challenge for us. The two extreme cases being the noob trap described (a very real danger), and the other case being a replacement for other skills. We think we are finding the right place to pitch them, expensive enough to not be replacement or mandatory, but powerful enough to be worth it. They probably do perform a better solo or in small parties compared to a throw party. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. We need a few game elements to favour smaller groups and solo play. Coordinated party play, and purpose built parties tend to make up for any disadvantage easily.	Posted by Qarl#1370 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:43:50 AM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" CharanJaydemyr wrote: And as one user said, this could be perfect synergy with uncut rings and their one slot. I'm very glad its actually called unset. IGN: Arlianth Check out my LA build: 1782214 Last edited by Nephalim#2731 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:59:34 AM	Posted by Nephalim#2731 on Feb 26, 2014, 1:59:26 AM Quote this Post
Will second Charan's sentiment. With regards to presumptions about alpha players, my assumption was based in a large part on the NDAs and silence preceding OB and release, where streamers like Kripperian were mum about the topic beyond that they knew something we did not. But I digress from the original topic. Thank you for elucidating Mr. Qarl. Want to Fix the Economy, Bad Loot, Trade and Legacy PvP? pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/548056 Open Letter to Qarl on Crafting Value pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/805434 Biggest Problem with Mapping: Inconsistent Risk to Reward pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/612507 Last edited by Veta321#3815 on Feb 26, 2014, 2:01:43 AM	Posted by Veta321#3815 on Feb 26, 2014, 2:00:51 AM Quote this Post