Vaal spark

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Boem wrote:

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Exialis wrote:

Can't they just go the S.T way? Nerfed the gem, made a lot of lower end builds not good? They can just throw it out of the meta and buff two or other off-meta skills so we still have other good builds to choose from.

ST was nerfed because it was dominant for racing, so they scaled down the overall damage at lower stages of the game and compensated that with making the gem end at a similar power level at gem lvl 20 as pre-nerf.

The same cannot be done for vaal spark since it's only dominant in the end-game.

Two different things entirely, the later excludes the same balance approach.

Peace,

-Boem-

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XCodesLIVE wrote:

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Boem wrote:

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Exialis wrote:

Can't they just go the S.T way? Nerfed the gem, made a lot of lower end builds not good? They can just throw it out of the meta and buff two or other off-meta skills so we still have other good builds to choose from.

ST was nerfed because it was dominant for racing, so they scaled down the overall damage at lower stages of the game and compensated that with making the gem end at a similar power level at gem lvl 20 as pre-nerf.

The same cannot be done for vaal spark since it's only dominant in the end-game.

Two different things entirely, the later excludes the same balance approach.

Peace,

-Boem-

Not only is it only dominant end-game, but it's prohibitively expensive to build around it in the first days of a new league because of it's effectiveness as a clear skill and the rarity of all the required components, even the skill gem itself. The economy will force players who want to play Vaal Spark from day 2 or 3 in a league to have to sacrifice something else. Sometimes quite a lot else.

So yeah, it's not making an impact on racing, it's barely making an impact on the race to 100 at the start of a new league, and while it's great clear speed, it's frankly shit against bosses.

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Sogolon wrote:

It doesn't even require a lot of investment anymore. Not at all compared to builds requiring similar investment but have less results. If you clear dried lake so much faster than anyone else you're raking up experience also so fast that you can just sit there until 95 or so, then buy plateau / gorge maps with all the chaos you got from the recipe and go to 100 with 2 minute full clear runs.

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I would suggest COOLDOWN on VS :) Like 20 sec cooldown in between next vaal spark. It will artifically slow it down to acceptable clear speed and maintain its OPness.

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It was enough to see Havoc run with this build. And he had no problems even on different than George layout maps. With 15ex investment this build had better clear speed than full mirrored split arrow archer... Absurd.

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goetzjam wrote:

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I would suggest COOLDOWN on VS :) Like 20 sec cooldown in between next vaal spark. It will artifically slow it down to acceptable clear speed and maintain its OPness.

I don't think you know what artificially means.

Making vaal skills have cooldowns in the name of balance defeats the purpose of its unique cooldown bypass modifier that was added to enable builds to use vaal skills more frequently, which were the unique jewels being added.

There has to be a better way to balance vaal spark without recking the ability, while also keeping most of its strength in tact.

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It was enough to see Havoc run with this build. And he had no problems even on different than George layout maps. With 15ex investment this build had better clear speed than full mirrored split arrow archer... Absurd.

Havoc is a streamer, he gets more then 99.999999% of players in this game will ever get, because of that large balance changes shouldn't be made based off of what 1 person has done. Granted the idea has been used multiple times since his build (idk who was 1st) was popularized its still requires several unique pieces to work "properly"

In terms of comparing it to a mirrored bow build, well comparing apples to grapes isn't going to net you the same results, ever heard of a grape pie (i sure haven't) It might be a faster paced build, but does have problems that aren't overcame without cost.

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goetzjam wrote:

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I would suggest COOLDOWN on VS :) Like 20 sec cooldown in between next vaal spark. It will artifically slow it down to acceptable clear speed and maintain its OPness.

I don't think you know what artificially means.

Making vaal skills have cooldowns in the name of balance defeats the purpose of its unique cooldown bypass modifier that was added to enable builds to use vaal skills more frequently, which were the unique jewels being added.

There has to be a better way to balance vaal spark without recking the ability, while also keeping most of its strength in tact.

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In terms of comparing it to a mirrored bow build, well comparing apples to grapes isn't going to net you the same results, ever heard of a grape pie (i sure haven't) It might be a faster paced build, but does have problems that aren't overcame without cost.