POE 2 speed slowed down. Yay or Nay ?

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Phrazz wrote:

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mentos1308 wrote:

In this whole balance, the player should not be penalized for, for example, choosing a skill that is slower, worse in the form of positioning, e.g. sunder. Of course, the difference between, for example, righteous fire and sunder will always be felt with the first skill, you can be on the move all the time and you can deal damage, and the second skill will not. you have to stop and deal damage for a while and expose yourself to various damage. With such a high game speed and also various effects on the ground and various things that follow you with autotargeting, skills like sunder are very very impractical and uninteresting, boring and lacking in fun and power. In an ordinary commercial league, of course, it is possible to make an end game with sunder, e.g. Maven, I don't know, maybe with the right investment Uber Maven, but it still won't change the fact that mechanically this skill, like many others, does not match the speed and gameplay in general in this game

You are correct here; some skills are mechanically better than others. But the question here is; how do GGG fix this without reworking their whole game from the ground up?

In an RNG based environment, speed will always be key. The more dices you throw in an hour, the more sixes you will get. Dedicated players will therefore bake as much speed as they can into their build. And no matter how much GGG balance their skills, some skills will always be mechanically superior to others. It's inevitable.

No, that does not mean that GGG should strive towards better skill balance. But they should also strive towards making different skills play and feel different. One step they could/should do, is to make attack speed and attack time separate. Currently, if you have 1 APS, your attack is slow as hell. It doesn't have to be; the attack time of your skill could be made very quick, even though the time between attacks would still be ~1 second.

Another obvious way to make skills more inline with eachother, but at the same time make playstyles different, is to grant more defensive options to slower builds. 2-handed nodes on the tree could/should have more defensive stats to make them 2-handed only (uninteresting for other builds). Why this hasn't been done years ago, is beyond me.

I like the potential speed of PoE. I find it fun. And even though slower builds are at a disadvantage, they are possible. It doesn't take that much tweaking for them to be more viable. But as Chris did say directly; "a fast build is a better build". They WANT speed scaling to be an integral part of build progression.

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Phrazz wrote:

One step they could/should do, is to make attack speed and attack time separate. Currently, if you have 1 APS, your attack is slow as hell. It doesn't have to be; the attack time of your skill could be made very quick, even though the time between attacks would still be ~1 second.

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mentos1308 wrote:

Personally, I'm in favor of changes related to speed

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Phrazz wrote:

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mentos1308 wrote:

Personally, I'm in favor of changes related to speed

I am too, but only a notch. They should absolutely not reduce it to Diablo levels of speed. PoE IS and SHOULD be a fast paced game. But the crazy side of things (read lab/heist farmers and ridiculous map farmers) should be reduced a notch.

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Phrazz wrote:

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In an RNG based environment, speed will always be key. The more dices you throw in an hour, the more sixes you will get.
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1453R wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

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In an RNG based environment, speed will always be key. The more dices you throw in an hour, the more sixes you will get.
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Wouldn't it be interesting if that wasn't the case? If there was an algorithm or system that regulated drop rarity with drop quantity, such that the more drops you generated the less valuable they were? Speed helps up to a point, but after that point it contributes less and less to currency generation, to the point that going faster past a second given point is effectively meaningless to wealth/hour rates.

Wouldn't it be truly interesting if speed really was a choice, and not a soft mandate for getting anywhere in the game? If you wanted to rush around at seventy times normal character speed exploding everything in single frames because that's where your dopamine lives, you can do it - but it wouldn't give you an overwhelming advantage against players that don't follow that creed anymore.

You can generate a thousand times the loot of a "slow" player, but that loot will still be roughly as valuable as the slow player's stuff. You just get a thousand times the chaff and a thousand percent less value-per-drop.

I wonder what a system like that would do for farming strategies and Religion of Zoom "go fast or quit the game" mentalities.

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1453R wrote:

Wouldn't it be interesting if that wasn't the case? If there was an algorithm or system that regulated drop rarity with drop quantity, such that the more drops you generated the less valuable they were? Speed helps up to a point, but after that point it contributes less and less to currency generation, to the point that going faster past a second given point is effectively meaningless to wealth/hour rates.

Wouldn't it be truly interesting if speed really was a choice, and not a soft mandate for getting anywhere in the game? If you wanted to rush around at seventy times normal character speed exploding everything in single frames because that's where your dopamine lives, you can do it - but it wouldn't give you an overwhelming advantage against players that don't follow that creed anymore.

You can generate a thousand times the loot of a "slow" player, but that loot will still be roughly as valuable as the slow player's stuff. You just get a thousand times the chaff and a thousand percent less value-per-drop.

I wonder what a system like that would do for farming strategies and Religion of Zoom "go fast or quit the game" mentalities.