Why POE2’s Direction Is Worrying for Veterans and Newcomers Alike

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

Did you ever have to trade for gear before endgame in Diablo? Diablo 2? Diablo 3? Diablo 4? Last Epoch? Lost Ark? Marvel Heroes?

Nope. Loot off the ground is good enough to carry you through the campaign in all of those games. GGG just wants to be sadistic for some reason.

Isnt poe1 trade came as an extension to d2 "runes as a currency" mindset? I guess, people were doing that a lot earlier than you think. LE also caved in by adding merchants guild. D3 and their auction house was a catastrophy, but it also existed. Cant say anything about other titles, but some of your examples seems to be incorrect. If you havent participated in such sctivity doesnt mean that its not presented.

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Querker#1809 wrote:

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

Did you ever have to trade for gear before endgame in Diablo? Diablo 2? Diablo 3? Diablo 4? Last Epoch? Lost Ark? Marvel Heroes?

Nope. Loot off the ground is good enough to carry you through the campaign in all of those games. GGG just wants to be sadistic for some reason.

Isnt poe1 trade came as an extension to d2 "runes as a currency" mindset? I guess, people were doing that a lot earlier than you think. LE also caved in by adding merchants guild. D3 and their auction house was a catastrophy, but it also existed. Cant say anything about other titles, but some of your examples seems to be incorrect. If you havent participated in such sctivity doesnt mean that its not presented.

None of these games require you to trade in order to beat the campaign.

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Querker#1809 wrote:

If you havent participated in such sctivity doesnt mean that its not presented.

And even though they existed, you 'never' felt like you "have to use it", as the person you are quoting was referring to.

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AngryGekko#0233 wrote:

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This topic here is about the longterm problems that a vastly punishing game model causes. And the feedback OP gave is reflecting and outlining the serious threats of the punishment 'vision' concerning the longlivity of PoE2.
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Why is the only "Solution" to this problem some variation of "make the game move so fast and scale so hard you don't even really play it anymore, like PoE1"?

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

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Querker#1809 wrote:

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

Did you ever have to trade for gear before endgame in Diablo? Diablo 2? Diablo 3? Diablo 4? Last Epoch? Lost Ark? Marvel Heroes?

Nope. Loot off the ground is good enough to carry you through the campaign in all of those games. GGG just wants to be sadistic for some reason.

Isnt poe1 trade came as an extension to d2 "runes as a currency" mindset? I guess, people were doing that a lot earlier than you think. LE also caved in by adding merchants guild. D3 and their auction house was a catastrophy, but it also existed. Cant say anything about other titles, but some of your examples seems to be incorrect. If you havent participated in such sctivity doesnt mean that its not presented.

None of these games require you to trade in order to beat the campaign.

Man someone report all of us who beat the campaign without trading, we must have been hacking.

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

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Querker#1809 wrote:

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

Did you ever have to trade for gear before endgame in Diablo? Diablo 2? Diablo 3? Diablo 4? Last Epoch? Lost Ark? Marvel Heroes?

Nope. Loot off the ground is good enough to carry you through the campaign in all of those games. GGG just wants to be sadistic for some reason.

Isnt poe1 trade came as an extension to d2 "runes as a currency" mindset? I guess, people were doing that a lot earlier than you think. LE also caved in by adding merchants guild. D3 and their auction house was a catastrophy, but it also existed. Cant say anything about other titles, but some of your examples seems to be incorrect. If you havent participated in such sctivity doesnt mean that its not presented.

None of these games require you to trade in order to beat the campaign.

And nothing requires you to trade in poe1 and poe2 to do that. SSF is also presented and it seems like both titles give you all the required tools to finish campaign. If that road is bumpy in a second game - thats what this topic about, no?

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

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Querker#1809 wrote:

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

Did you ever have to trade for gear before endgame in Diablo? Diablo 2? Diablo 3? Diablo 4? Last Epoch? Lost Ark? Marvel Heroes?

Nope. Loot off the ground is good enough to carry you through the campaign in all of those games. GGG just wants to be sadistic for some reason.

Isnt poe1 trade came as an extension to d2 "runes as a currency" mindset? I guess, people were doing that a lot earlier than you think. LE also caved in by adding merchants guild. D3 and their auction house was a catastrophy, but it also existed. Cant say anything about other titles, but some of your examples seems to be incorrect. If you havent participated in such sctivity doesnt mean that its not presented.

None of these games require you to trade in order to beat the campaign.

To be fair, PoE2 has SSF (Solo-Self Found) too, & there are SSF players that aleady beat the campaign, & are already in the endgame like myself. So beating PoE2 campaign without trade & party is possible.

But in my experience, PoE2 SSF is more challenging compare to PoE1 SSF.

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Bleu42#4018 wrote:

Man someone report all of us who beat the campaign without trading, we must have been hacking.

No, you just got lucky drops. Congrats. A lot of players don't.

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Xenus_Paradox#7530 wrote:

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Bleu42#4018 wrote:

Man someone report all of us who beat the campaign without trading, we must have been hacking.

No, you just got lucky drops. Congrats. A lot of players don't.

And there will be people on the planet who never got a single ex, and there will be people who got a mirror from hillock. Luck is hard to measure on a single persons' experience. Statistics should be gathering atm, so lets see how GGG address that issues in the future. Now they already took some actions by raising drop rates in early acts.

PoE2 is out for two weeks now. I didn't reach endgame there, i was just burned out and i have serious issues with my commitment of enjoying a game when being punished into Nirvana.

I say this, because yes, SSF and hardcore do exist in PoE2, but i highly doubt, the high contrast between enjoyment and dopamin vs the insane amount of punishment and losing time investment contribute to longterm motivation. After two weeks nobody can tell if these modes will ensure any retention success.