ES is broken

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Sp4wNi#0908 wrote:

10k ES has an EHP for phys attacks of 10k
a 5k life 50% armour medi has an EHP for Phys attacks of 10k

its this simple

yeah its not though. Let me explain:

10k ES can be 20k ES
5k life can not be 20k or even 10k

ES has easy scaling and lots of it, life doesn't its not very simple. Okay next:

10k ES is 10k eHP against any size of a hit that doesn't instantly kill you.
5k Life and 50% PDR from amour might be a lot of eHP against small hits reducing in amount until its nearing just 5k eHP because the damage is so large that your armour barely reduced it.

Look into how armour scales in POE, its not very simple:

10k ES is 10k eHP against elemental dmg
5k Life and 50% PDR from armour is 5k eHP against elemental

That one was kinda simple; half the eHP of the ES build

10k ES is immune to bleeds until 10k hit dmg removes all your ES
5k life takes bleed damage immediately

Pretty simple definitely not the same value here okay moving on:

10k ES can be infinite eHP against chaos damage with a keystone
5k Life is 5k eHP against chaos damage

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alhazred70#2994 wrote:

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Sp4wNi#0908 wrote:

10k ES has an EHP for phys attacks of 10k
a 5k life 50% armour medi has an EHP for Phys attacks of 10k

its this simple

yeah its not though. Let me explain:

10k ES can be 20k ES
5k life can not be 20k or even 10k

ES has easy scaling and lots of it, life doesn't its not very simple. Okay next:

10k ES is 10k eHP against any size of a hit that doesn't instantly kill you.
5k Life and 50% PDR from amour might be a lot of eHP against small hits reducing in amount until its nearing just 5k eHP because the damage is so large that your armour barely reduced it.

Look into how armour scales in POE, its not very simple:

10k ES is 10k eHP against elemental dmg
5k Life and 50% PDR from armour is 5k eHP against elemental

That one was kinda simple; half the eHP of the ES build

10k ES is immune to bleeds until 10k hit dmg removes all your ES
5k life takes bleed damage immediately

Pretty simple definitely not the same value here okay moving on:

10k ES can be infinite eHP against chaos damage with a keystone
5k Life is 5k eHP against chaos damage

ES can only be doubled because of a skill. The same effect is available for life.

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

ES can only be doubled because of a skill. The same effect is available for life.

Really what skill can double life?

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

ES can only be doubled because of a skill. The same effect is available for life.

Is it as readily available though?? Like an aura that allows life to overflow??

Yea what is he talking about what skill or ... unique can double life?

Ok, alot of people here are having some serious problem with physical damage reduction from armour and how it functions.

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Armour#Rule_of_thumb

There is the armour formula from poe 1, it functions the same in poe 2 but instead of armour/armour + 5 x damage it is armour/armour + 12 x damage.

So the rule
"To prevent half of damage (50%), you need armour 5 times the damage (e.g. 500 armour for 100 damage)"
is in poe 2
"To prevent half of damage (50%), you need armour 12 times the damage (e.g. 1200 armour for 100 damage)"

So to get 50% PDR on a 5k hit(turn 5k physical damage taken into 2500 physical damage taken) you need 60.000 armour.

And the effect goes down very quickly, becomes less efficient, against larger hits. As a example, to have 90% damage reduction against a 1.000 damage hit you need 100.000 armour. Or against 500 damage you need 50.000 armour for 90% pdr.

So for a 4k life build to have a higher survivability then a 8k energy shield build against 4 hits of 2000 physical damage you need atleast 24.000+ armour(50% pdr), or else the energy shield build survives when the 4k life armour builds dies.

But if you want 75% pdr instead of 50% you need would need 36 times the armour instead of 12, turning the 24.000 armour into 72.000 armour requirement for 2k physical damage.



And when it comes to elemental damage, chaos damage and bleed, energy shield is far superior for defence.

Also life recovery from flask can apply to energy shield, so can life regeneration and so on.

Hope this clears things a little!

Easy Fix: let the Bleed Affliction get applied regardless of ES

Crazy how clueless "some" people are

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Completely intended, people can easily make 20k es builds in PoE 1. The 3 defences in the game are:ES,Evasion and Armor. It just so happens that stacking a lot of ES can get you a huge health pool, but at most you'll have like 50% evasion so you'll still take full damage from hits most of the time since your armor is 0.

Just follow a meta build with high amounts of ES and enjoy the game by blasting maps without a care in the world. It's what makes PoE fun.

Also free immunity to chaos damage with CI is pretty convenient to have. Means you can just res cap and not think about chaos damage or poison at all.


And these kinds of PvE games will never be balanced anyway. If you're expecting equal power on all classes and skill gems PoE isn't really the game for that. There's always overperforming meta builds, and always those few ascendancies that nobody plays cus they suck. Just how it is.

This.

ES is fine. Armor and evasion just suck currently and are in need of buffs.

Amrour and evasion receiving buffs will do nothing. And we shouldnt be increasing or buffing anything to something that is currently not intended.

Armour is just pdr, and evasion is just RNG. Buffing these values does nothing.


Energy shield and its quantity, regen, and scaling; are currently not appropriate for POE2.

We will hopefully see the devs dial this mechanic way down and more in line with what we are seeing achieved in health categories. Maybe even less, as the OP said it well.

Everyone is struggling at the same ammount of health pluss or minus 500ish, but then just because someone is on the top/top right of the tree they get an extra 10k health as ES to scale and add mechanics too.

Watching videos of gameplay like spark snoozefest is definetely going to, not only see hopefully an outright gut to its distance and AI around corners. But also its defense.