ES is broken

20k ES is absurd

Even 10k sounds too high.

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Querker#1809 wrote:

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

Something has to be done about it. It is clearly not intended gameplay, they dont want you just standing in things. So no nothing needs to be brought up to its level. It needs to be brought down

Expect a nerf after the holidays because its broken

Quite the opposite should be preferable. High ES builds in most hands tend to get low dps anyway (bcs of huge mana costs and lack of damage nodes) for them to actually do miracle work, but when the game is all about not dying - you need to adjust underperforming defence layers, not destroy what works for now. Weve already seen how a nerf to caston can affect those who were not intended to be damaged - no need to repeat this mistake again.

No, incoming damage needs to be adjusted and ES needs to be nerfed. But it's quite obvious that end game maps and mobs have just been slapped together so damage is all over the place so we'll see what happens going forward.

es doesn't function like health.

It doesn't come back with a potion. You can't get hit or it doesn't regenerate.

You get more of it than health because it isn't as good

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fr0st2k#1732 wrote:

es doesn't function like health.

It doesn't come back with a potion. You can't get hit or it doesn't regenerate.

You get more of it than health because it isn't as good

ES protects you from damage 1:1 from dying
Life protects you from damage 1:1 from dying


Just because it doesnt have a potion doesnt mean it doesnt functionally act the same lol what is this take.


They function the exact same.


You dont lose all your armour and die, or all your evasion and die. Some builds dont even have one of these.


And you certainly cant get even HALF of 10k ES in this game currently as life. You struggle in min/max to even get 4.5k


So it needs to be nerfed hard. Id take all es nodes off the tree tbh

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Kashou#2868 wrote:

No, incoming damage needs to be adjusted and ES needs to be nerfed. But it's quite obvious that end game maps and mobs have just been slapped together so damage is all over the place so we'll see what happens going forward.

But if the leagues are to be introduced then the damage scaling is gonna increase either. It is inevitable, cause for players to WANT to experience smth new they need to feel the progression - and it is shown by raising certain numbers. Nerf ES now - spend a lot of work scaling health stacking AND es stacking back to this numbers later. Not even gonna start about damaging new classes that must be currently in development with this exact tree in mind.

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

They function the exact same.

They don't function the same. With life you can life leech, hp regen, potion, and so on and you constantly get it back. With ES, that doesn't happen. You get swarmed by things like Rathbringer's adds, and you die. ES isn't broken.

What is are a couple of abilities that let you overcap ES significantly. It's Grim Feast, Meditate, and the like that do it.

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Axterix13#5693 wrote:

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

They function the exact same.

They don't function the same. With life you can life leech, hp regen, potion, and so on and you constantly get it back. With ES, that doesn't happen. You get swarmed by things like Rathbringer's adds, and you die. ES isn't broken.

What is are a couple of abilities that let you overcap ES significantly. It's Grim Feast, Meditate, and the like that do it.

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The things you typed are aspects of what life can have supporting it, not what life's function is.

Life protects you drom dying, by absorbing damage until it runs out. That is its function. There is no debate from that.

ES protects you from dying, by absorbing damage until it runs out. That is its function. There is no debate from that.

Regen, potion, and leech are not their functions. And you can regen ES just fine in multiple ways, and in FASTER HIGHER MAGNITUDE ways based on your evasion rating. Which makes it even worse of a problem as well.

Es function: Protect your character from dying by taking damage
Life function: Protect your character from dying by taking damage

These are their core functions. There is no debate for this. One is blue(teal) and one is red


The fact that you can get one of these things to 10-20k and not the other, is the part that is unfair.

Particularly because:

a) It allows you to stand in mechanics you arent meant to stand in (pinnacle boss mechanic laugh and stand videos all of them being ES characters)

b) There is nothing on its magnitude of defense
i: Endurance charges do nothing
ii: Armour (PDR is just phys) diminished against large hits
iii: Fortification doesnt exist
iv: Spell suppression doesnt exist
v: even if there was something similar this is unintended POE2 gameplay

c) Entirely Tree specific you have to be in the ES scaling section of the tree

d) 0 life nodes are on the tree

They are functionally the exact same thing just different colors. Please understand this.

ES is notably stronger in PoE2 due the the slower combat and lower enemy density. It's a lot easier the get ES recharge delay reduction and pop back up to full faster than a potion can heal.

ES protects against all sources of damage besides the obvious. Armor doesn't help against Elemental and Evasion doesn't help against spells. Evasion is esp bad because there's a lot of attacks you just can't evade. Not 100% on why. I stacked up 81% Evasion and my Wind Ward drops often.

EB + MoM + Recoup is note worthy as well since it combines all into the fasted regenerating pool that works against all sources of damage. Not quite the numbers of ES though.

Yeah ES is stupid it's not even funny when i compare with my friends.
Those with it face tank and dgaf to an extent, the others play the roll dance game at every occasion.

what about 8k hp armor builds?
75% phys damage reduction 8k hp turns into 32k.
80% phys damage reduction 8k hp turns into 40k.
90% phys damage reduction 8k hp turns into 80k.

Add here 75% block and multiply those number 4x times.
Also stunthreshold.
Also %hp regen.