Listening to the community too much is what ruined PoE 1 for many of us.

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Z3RoNightMare#7140 wrote:

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Thanks for that post good Sir, enjoyed the read a lot.
Forums don't deserve you, refreshing construction and reflection.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

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Valmar#3550 wrote:

those times in hardcore, being forced to do PUBLIC RUNS in ledge act 1, in fellshrine ruins act 2 and later in docks act3 to get drops and improve gear to be able to progress, becase little resis crafting etc.

Those times were really glorious, with one-shot bosses like Kole (which you run through trying to avoid him in hardcore), also Perpetus, etc, etc.

I don't get it. Would you mind elaborating what you find fun in this, or context like what kind of other games you play ?

You're saying you like being forced to do things, risk dying without any reason nor power to avoid it, other than actual avoid the encounter. I read like you enjoy lack of content, and that one shot which doesn't bring any "gameplay" is a good thing. How can it be fun, not engaging with content oO.

It genuinely doesn't make any sense to me. I can understand different tastes, but it's not even up to taste here, feels like you tell me you like the taste of dirt. Like, how ? why ?

Well in Spanish we got a say "No está hecha la miel para la boca del asno".
Given the approach you took, no reason to explain anything more. Hope you get it. Peace.

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Valmar#3550 wrote:

Well in Spanish we got a say "No está hecha la miel para la boca del asno".
Given the approach you took, no reason to explain anything more. Hope you get it. Peace.

Funny that my post got deleted, didn't even get an automated message, it just disapeared. But the quote is still there :D

Well, I made it clear in my post that it's how I, I, feel regarding what you like. This is MY view, how I see it, and I don't understand. I'm not coming to argue anything, I just want to understand your process/context.

Talking about my approach is a crap excuse mate, it's not an approach, it's a point of view, that I gave because a simple "why do you like that" alone sounds more aggressive to me. I just gave you context for my question.

So, again, would you mind elaborating regarding what type of games you play outside PoE, or what's the actual fun for you ? Have you even thought about it ?

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

It genuinely doesn't make any sense to me. I can understand different tastes, but it's not even up to taste here, feels like you tell me you like the taste of dirt. Like, how ? why ?

"I don't understand how you can think differently" can be perceived as an insult. Is it genuinely a lack of comprehension or the refusal to see the speaker's viewpoint which imply disrespect.

One's meat is another man's poison.
"Why do you like poison? "

Do people have no idea why that would be offensive or feigning ignorance?

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awesome999#2945 wrote:

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

It genuinely doesn't make any sense to me. I can understand different tastes, but it's not even up to taste here, feels like you tell me you like the taste of dirt. Like, how ? why ?

"I don't understand how you can think differently" can be perceived as an insult. Is it genuinely a lack of comprehension or the refusal to see the speaker's viewpoint which imply disrespect.

One's meat is another man's poison.
"Why do you like poison? "

Do people have no idea why that would be offensive or feigning ignorance?

I think people are getting sensitive out of nowhere. There is no feigning when I ask why do you like poison.
I asked the same to a gambling addict friend, and he didn't get offended. He actually thought about it, and told me all the wrong reasons why his addiction is a thing. I understood, still thought it was wrong (he agreed, but as you said, each our poisons), offered my help that he refused, and I moved on with my life, understanding a bit more about others struggles.

There is one more difference here. This dude posted his opinion that noone asked for. Getting then surprised you can get questioned over it is a bit weird imho.

The irony when you say "a lack of comprehension". Indeed, that's why I asked him to develop. That's litteraly my first words : I don't understand. That's all there is to it, rest is your imagination or fear of being called out for no other reason than your own insecurity.
If your or his opinions/taste are a little bit thought out, it's easy to just expand and explain. That's all I'm asking for. No value judgment.

they WILL listen

or there will be consequences xD

chinese overlords want that 200 dolar armor skins



have fun in last epoch, its really fun crafting season now ive heard

breath some fresh air and come again when ...

for me when druid is out for testing



testing lmao, imagine game in early acces that have fully funchtional shop xDDDDDDD

what times we live in xd

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CAPSLOCK_ON#7907 wrote:

dawg your saying ggg ruined the game by listening to the community but the game just kept growing every league please no more talking

Game would've grown regardless, you don't understand how positive bias and compounding game growth work.

When you have 100 players and you have a 10% growth coefficient - you end up with 110 players.

When you have 10,000 players and have the same 10% growth coefficient - you end up with 11,000 players. That's 990 more players now than before with the same growth coefficient.

This is exactly what I mean when I say that most regular gamers ( you fall into this category as well, whether you like to admit it or not ) - have no clue about how games are made, sold, balanced, developed and which objective metrics are used when discussing branding and marketing strategies.

You just think you do.

The more upward trajectory your product has, the more player growth it will numerically have, but that doesn't mean the growth coefficient has increased or decreased significantly. Both the rise and fall will lag behind the actual content by at least 3-6 months. They won't show up on the statistics table for a long time.

Good games naturally (and PoE 1 at its core is a good game) will have always acquired more players, regardless of design decisions, but the eventual drop would've ended up being brutal if they didn't release PoE 2. This is why GGG released PoE 2 and focused solely on it because they understand the business side relatively well.

You can go and look at Last Epoch now that looks and feels incredibly outdated, eventually their fall-off will be brutal. If they're smart, they're already working on a graphically updated version.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

If your or his opinions/taste are a little bit thought out, it's easy to just expand and explain. That's all I'm asking for. No value judgment.

You are insensitive rather than people are sensitive.

It is a good thing His Quote of Your quote isn't deleted. Otherwise I might think differently.

This person isn't your friend. The person don't wish to talk to you. Obviously that is a sign of displeasure or anger. You didn't ask nicely is putting it lightly.

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awesome999#2945 wrote:

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

If your or his opinions/taste are a little bit thought out, it's easy to just expand and explain. That's all I'm asking for. No value judgment.

You are insensitive rather than people are sensitive.

It is a good thing His Quote of Your quote isn't deleted. Otherwise I might think differently.

This person isn't your friend. The person don't wish to talk to you. Obviously that is a sign of displeasure or anger. You didn't ask nicely is putting it lightly.

Or, ppl got too comfortable putting out opinions, and not accepting that the internet is free for everyone, and ppl could simply question. If you put things out not wanting to discuss, why are you even writing in the first place ?

I may disagree with you, feel attacked by you over a fight that doesn't exist in the first place. I'm still here because I wanted to open a discussion. I'm expecting to discuss with grown ups, what asking nicely are you talking about :

"I don't get it. Would you mind elaborating what you find fun in this, or context like what kind of other games you play ?"
That's more than cordial. As I said, the perception you have of aggression comes from some insecurity, I'm not insulting or aggressing anyone.


Now, for the context that I wasn't interested in bringing up in the first place :
I liked PoE beta times a lot, the same way he said in the first place. I'm a competitive player, and at that time, I was a student bored at school with way too much time on my hands. I still have nostalgia over that time, kinda miss it. So I could say it was glorious times, the game was good.
But now is a different time, thinking more about it, I couldn't play a game like that anymore, different priorities / time constraints. Also, I didn't actually liked the game itself. It was more a kid in the making, wanting to prove something in the game (git gud mentality). I could farm in circle same stuff for hours, not because I actually liked it, but more because I wanted to prove I can endure the pain harder than the others to show off.
I could go on, but that's already enough for my point. I didn't really liked the game, I liked the weird feelings I got because of it, as a stupid dumb kid at that time. And yes, I could have liked dirt at that time, just because it made my group laugh.

So,again, don't try to read some aggression that doesn't exist. I went through thinking, so I understand how he could have liked the game in the past, but I don't understand how you can still objectively think now, that it was that good. Maybe he thought about it, and I'm interested in the conclusions, or maybe he didn't and just talks out of nostalgia. That's a genuine question.

There you go, but as I said, the aggression is in your head.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

Or, ppl got too comfortable putting out opinions, and not accepting that the internet is free for everyone, and ppl could simply question. If you put things out not wanting to discuss, why are you even writing in the first place ?

You are way too comfortable with disrespecting and offending people.

You can ask question and they can refuse to answer your questions. Freedom of Expression includes both the right to speak freely and the right to refrain from speaking at all. Especially when they emphasizes it is specifically you, that they don't want to talk to. You can't force people to talk to you.

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I may disagree with you, feel attacked by you over a fight that doesn't exist in the first place. I'm still here because I wanted to open a discussion. I'm expecting to discuss with grown ups, what asking nicely are you talking about :

I am glad you aren't feeling bad about yourself and overwhelmed by shame.