Listening to the community too much is what ruined PoE 1 for many of us.

That's the thing.

I get stuck for a bit, get frustrated, and decide to put the game down? That's normal. Just how stuff goes; sometimes I'm having a bad night, sometimes I haven't been able to hit a decent gear milestone in a bit, sometimes I'm just playing like crap. I put it down. go do something else, come back later and try again. No trouble.

Someone else gets stuck for a bit and puts the game down? What usually follows is a giant forum tirade about unfair drops, loot starvation, the usual "the campaign isn't even real gameplay the endgame is the only thing that matters" and a deluge of nonsense about how the only way for the ARPG to function is as an ultrafast explosionfest with absolutely no neuron activation involved whatsoever.

It's the difference between "eh, clearly not my night tonight" and "literally ANY slowdown whatsoever is ABSOLUTWLY UNACCEPTABLE a pox on Jonathan's house until it's fixed!" Which, yes, I find utterly ridiculous. But eh.

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1453R#7804 wrote:

Look at the stuff the Must-Go-Faster memers are constantly complaining about. It's not "my skills suck!" it's "not enough drops!", "my drops suck!", "I don't feel like an invincible ultragod by Act 2!", "I can't craft a 1200pDPS mace at level 45!", "why do I have to fight Jamanra for more than forty-five seconds?!", and such. It's not complaints about the game's core design, it's people kvetching that they're not getting their Dropamine. because as Acaste said, they don't want to actually play PoE2. They just want the Dropamine hit, and everything that gets between them and their Dropamine - like, y'know, the game - is an Enemy.

That dude calling you "Master of the hyperbole"? You're really determined to prove him right, aren't you? I'll repeat myself; it's hard to take anything you say seriously, when you can make a single argument without exaggerating A LOT and/or have the need to use derogative marks towards everyone wanting a game with some pace.

They DO want to play PoE2, they just find the pace of the game boring. I don't need crazy drops. I don't need loot explosions. But I don't want to be "moaning" my character forward either. It's like driving a slow car uphill, and I find myself pushing my torso back and forth to try and push my character faster. And yes, it IS unresponsive, with artificial delays and misplaced animation canceling to make it more... "Meaningful", as you say.

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As for fixing PoE1? Nah. It can't be fixed...

I never mentioned a "fix". PoE1 is the best ARPG on the market and it doesn't need "fixing". I was referring to better graphics and animations, and maybe tone down some of the skill effects. That can be done, it was supposed to be done, remember?

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

That dude calling you "Master of the hyperbole"? You're really determined to prove him right, aren't you? I'll repeat myself; it's hard to take anything you say seriously, when you can make a single argument without exaggerating A LOT and/or have the need to use derogative marks towards everyone wanting a game with some pace.

Considering some of the absolutely vile things the Speed Memes folks are calling A.) everyone who isn't a Speed memes player, and B.) GGG? Feels like a little dismissal of their nonsense is warranted.

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

They DO want to play PoE2,

No, they don't. They want drops. More drops. Moar bigger badder drops. Drops drops drops drops. Loot fountaining from every crack in the earth, every corpse exploding in geysers of gear. They want to be able to upgrade their entire gear loadout twice a zone, until they're so overgeared they can fly through the acts and get to eNdGAmE, because eNdGaMe is "the only thing that matters!", remember?

They're not interested in playing POE2, i.e. engaging with the game's systems and fightin the demon hordes of Wraeclast. They want to accrue more power, s quickly as possible, so they can put all the top-end Pinnacle stuff on farm and then complain about a lack of content again.

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

they just find the pace of the game boring. I don't need crazy drops. I don't need loot explosions. But I don't want to be "moaning" my character forward either. It's like driving a slow car uphill, and I find myself pushing my torso back and forth to try and push my character faster. And yes, it IS unresponsive, with artificial delays and misplaced animation canceling to make it more... "Meaningful", as you say.

Give the Speed Memers an inch, they'll continue demanding a mile. it's already begun, with people getting more upset rather than less at each new fix that makes the game faster, loot explosion-ier and less rewarding to actually sit down and play. Grinding Gear tries to meet them partway, they get even angrier than when they started because the fixes "don't go far enough!"

You mention that you don't need crazy drops or loot explosions but you find the pace of POE2 boring. Okay. Do you think it's remotely possible that other people find the absolutely universe-shattering explosive pace of PoE1 exhausting, impossible to keep up with, artificial, and just seriously unfun?

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

I never mentioned a "fix". PoE1 is the best ARPG on the market and it doesn't need "fixing". I was referring to better graphics and animations, and maybe tone down some of the skill effects. That can be done, it was supposed to be done, remember?

So just completely reinvent the entire visual portion of the game. Which would necessitate redoing the audio portion as well. All for...zero profit.

Why would that be a good idea?

All that is fine (the OP’s original post), but what really matters here is that they could have satisfied the hardcore POE1 fans *and* the casual POE2 players (or the nostalgic ones who prefer a slower game with less content because that’s just how they like it…).

POE2 didn’t need a rushed start — it could’ve taken its time, slowly updating and receiving feedback from players (while still keeping its original vision, since what players say — no matter how experienced — are still just personal opinions), with a small team working on it and slowly progressing. Meanwhile, they could’ve kept a large team on POE1, which already has a solid player base — the people who spend money every league for new skins. You owe them a lot, GGG. You owe them *everything*.

But no, instead you say POE2 won’t affect POE1 — and surprise (a surprise to no one), it *does* affect it, and in the worst way possible. EHG is really grateful to you — you’ve made Last Epoch stronger than ever. Many players who don’t want to play POE1 anymore because of this situation — including streamers you listen to as if their words were absolute truth — are now playing Last Epoch.

It wouldn’t have been hard to show some gratitude to your loyal players and give them a decent league on time, to make a little effort for the people who made it possible for you to now mess around with POE2. Go ahead and mess around if you want, but *not* at the cost of destroying the game that made you great…

PS: You’re also repeating POE1’s mistakes in POE2 — you even carried over the sound bug from POE1 into POE2. How is that possible in a new engine with brand new code? For those who don’t know, disabling sound effects gives a massive performance boost in POE2 — it’s the exact same bug we’ve had in POE1. God… what have you done? Did you port POE1 code into POE2 and adapt it? And you brought the same bug along with it? This is honestly shameful…

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1453R#7804 wrote:

No, they don't. They want drops. More drops. Moar bigger badder drops. Drops drops drops drops. Loot fountaining from every crack in the earth, every corpse exploding in geysers of gear. They want to be able to upgrade their entire gear loadout twice a zone, until they're so overgeared they can fly through the acts and get to eNdGAmE, because eNdGaMe is "the only thing that matters!", remember?

I give up, this is just unbearable, sorry.

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1453R#7804 wrote:

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

That dude calling you "Master of the hyperbole"? You're really determined to prove him right, aren't you? I'll repeat myself; it's hard to take anything you say seriously, when you can make a single argument without exaggerating A LOT and/or have the need to use derogative marks towards everyone wanting a game with some pace.

Considering some of the absolutely vile things the Speed Memes folks are calling A.) everyone who isn't a Speed memes player, and B.) GGG? Feels like a little dismissal of their nonsense is warranted.

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

They DO want to play PoE2,

No, they don't. They want drops. More drops. Moar bigger badder drops. Drops drops drops drops. Loot fountaining from every crack in the earth, every corpse exploding in geysers of gear. They want to be able to upgrade their entire gear loadout twice a zone, until they're so overgeared they can fly through the acts and get to eNdGAmE, because eNdGaMe is "the only thing that matters!", remember?

They're not interested in playing POE2, i.e. engaging with the game's systems and fightin the demon hordes of Wraeclast. They want to accrue more power, s quickly as possible, so they can put all the top-end Pinnacle stuff on farm and then complain about a lack of content again.

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MisterFancyPants#7969 wrote:

they just find the pace of the game boring. I don't need crazy drops. I don't need loot explosions. But I don't want to be "moaning" my character forward either. It's like driving a slow car uphill, and I find myself pushing my torso back and forth to try and push my character faster. And yes, it IS unresponsive, with artificial delays and misplaced animation canceling to make it more... "Meaningful", as you say.

Give the Speed Memers an inch, they'll continue demanding a mile. it's already begun, with people getting more upset rather than less at each new fix that makes the game faster, loot explosion-ier and less rewarding to actually sit down and play. Grinding Gear tries to meet them partway, they get even angrier than when they started because the fixes "don't go far enough!"

You mention that you don't need crazy drops or loot explosions but you find the pace of POE2 boring. Okay. Do you think it's remotely possible that other people find the absolutely universe-shattering explosive pace of PoE1 exhausting, impossible to keep up with, artificial, and just seriously unfun?

You're saying things that simply don't exist in the text of anyone present that you're replying to.

Either you're engaging with hyperbole to such a large degree that what you're saying is unrecognisable compared with its source material, or you're simply making things up.

Whichever it is, it makes reading a discussion you are having with someone similar to hearing someone harken to the bible in a discussion about science; nonsensical, frustrating and pointless. When your position stems from a self-created and self-fulfilling evidence base that doesn't exist in reality, there is no functional way to engage with it.

You discuss "speed-memers" wanting things that nobody has asked for and engaging in behavior they haven't engaged in, evoke imagery of changes that have not happened, and using those "examples" form logical conclusions that are entirely nonsequiter to reality.

What "self-created and self-fulfilling evidence"?

Go read LITERALLY ANY GODDAMNED THREAD in these sections, and you'll find people screaming their damnfool heads off over how much they just absolutely HATE how slow PoE2 is, or how they can neeEeEeEver(!!!) find any good loot, and how they need to just duplicopy everything in PoE1 over to PoE2 and make the one the exact same game as the other with a fresh coat of paint.

I've seen it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER ANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVERANDOVER AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAINAGAINAGAINAGAINAGAINAGAIN!.

How else is anyone supposed to interpret the endless bitching from endless myriad mouths of people who "just wanna blaaaaaast!!!" and who will never goddamn shut the hell up about how miserly they think the game's loot drops are?

Seriously - how else am I supposed to interpret this neverending whining about the game presenting the thinnest facade of actual challenge and engagement?

Sorry dude playing Poe2 feels like I am wasting my time. You can ask for a ruthless mode if you want your "hard" no life game

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1453R#7804 wrote:

[...]how else am I supposed to interpret|...]

Simple, stop interpreting, and cut the hyperboles.
Maybe you're reading the same post over and over thinking it's 20 different ppl ?

Your picturing things that ppl didn't say in the first place. You're the one with your caps lock here, stop talking about ppl screaming, you're the one doing it, with false claims.

I know, you will respond with hyperboles again, that's the sad part. You're stuck in your own world.

Oh yeah, GGG does, your opinion is worthless now, you already gave them the profit, next time, buy in moderation, don't give the companies so much power, then they stab you, and on top of that we have to put up with threads like this, of people complaining that a game [POE1] works, swallow me earth 😂😂