Listening to the community too much is what ruined PoE 1 for many of us.

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I don’t know if people are being deliberately obtuse or if they are truly lacking capacity. POE 2 IS NOT POE 1. They are different games. If they were to make POE 2 to be exactly like POE 1 then what would be the point? They didn’t shut down POE 1 - the servers are still active. Nothing is stopping people from playing POE 1. Yet, they boot up POE 2 play it, then complain about how it’s not like POE 1. Should have simply booted that instead. These people just ruin things that have potential simply because it’s not what they are accustomed to. Yes, I’m talking about the streamers.

They are trash. And let me just get on this early because people have a sorely flawed picture of gamers in relation to those streamers. They aren’t the ones coming up with all the crazy build and figuring out al the amazing interactions etc. They aren’t simply the ones posting about it. They are not in some unique talent or intelligence league. Actual talented gamers have been doing amazing stuff in ARPGs, fighting games, shooters etc, and still do. We’re just not starved for attention and likes. But they have their cult following of gamers who can’t or won’t hunk for themselves and then they spew very uninformed and ignorant opinions on matter far beyond their depth, especially when it comes to the complexity of game design. They aren’t just whiny little children who’ve never learned to cope with change that takes them from positions of glory. Their followers, knowing no better, lean on their silly opinions and ignorantly parrot them to their own detriment. But they would never realize that unless the streamers they follow tell them so.

This generation of gaming is so awful and it’s because companies don’t make games anymore - they make interactive pander material. The devs have also generally become greedy and most have no understanding or passion for game outside the financial gain, but that’s an another topic. Everyone now wants to have all the say and opinion on how a game is designed. In the past, a game was released and you had to accept that the game was what it was because it was designed to be what it was. Nowadays, you cant have that because everyone want to decide what the script is supposed to be, what the skills and abilities are supposed to be, wha the level design is supposed to be, and then they start to foam at the mouth if devs do anything new that doesn’t line up with what they are accustomed to, which brings us back to POE 2. Streamers really need to stfu with the POE 2 complaints with regard to it not being like POE 1. That is the point. Go play POE 1. You’re souring the game for everyone. You are toxifying the community. You are not as creative and innovative as you would like to believe. You are overestimating your value.

Please shut up and get off the servers.


No, we paid PoE2 development, so we will make it like 1 in the end. Deal with it or back to D4 with you
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H3rB1985#0551 wrote:


No, we paid PoE2 development, so we will make it like 1 in the end.


Dont want to interrupt your argument with the other guy, but this sentence is totally false.

It may have contributed, but gives us zero rights/leverage to anything. If you want that, try buying majority of shares :D

And also, a bit offtopic, in case you were right in that reasoning... guys thinking exactly opposite of you in gaming tastes may have contributed as well.
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Another reason many players aren't flocking to PoE is that it has been demonized so much as "Zoom-zoom boom-boom garbage," both by a surprising number of people who are merely parroting what they have heard, and even by Jonathan Rogers, the senior game developer for PoE Deuce.

If some of the "recreational visitors" here to play Deuce would just dip a toe into PoE, they might discover they enjoy it. Or not. But at least it is a fully-developed game. =9[.]9=
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Valmar#3550 wrote:
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H3rB1985#0551 wrote:


No, we paid PoE2 development, so we will make it like 1 in the end.


Dont want to interrupt your argument with the other guy, but this sentence is totally false.

It may have contributed, but gives us zero rights/leverage to anything. If you want that, try buying majority of shares :D

And also, a bit offtopic, in case you were right in that reasoning... guys thinking exactly opposite of you in gaming tastes may have contributed as well.


It was obviously trolling.

But let's be honest. The people who like this game are a minority and the numbers don't lie.

The game had a new league launch, new class, new ascendancies, 100 new support gems and after 16 days it has less players than LE (which is mediocre at best).

All big streamers who pull new players in, left the league after 10 days.
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H3rB1985#0551 wrote:
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Valmar#3550 wrote:
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H3rB1985#0551 wrote:


No, we paid PoE2 development, so we will make it like 1 in the end.


Dont want to interrupt your argument with the other guy, but this sentence is totally false.

It may have contributed, but gives us zero rights/leverage to anything. If you want that, try buying majority of shares :D

And also, a bit offtopic, in case you were right in that reasoning... guys thinking exactly opposite of you in gaming tastes may have contributed as well.


It was obviously trolling.

But let's be honest. The people who like this game are a minority and the numbers don't lie.

The game had a new league launch, new class, new ascendancies, 100 new support games and after 16 days it has less players than LE (which is mediocre at best).

All big streamers who pull new players in left the league after 10 days.


Haha, fair enough :)

Yeah, I agree, the majority of people dont like the current state of the game (me neither, although for different reasons as others).

I agree on that, noone should deny that fact.

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It's that minority that made GGG great and allowed them to mess around now with POE2, turning their backs on the people who made all of this possible. It's that minority to whom GGG owes everything, and they chose not to respect them by failing to deliver a decent league (or at least any league) when they were supposed to.

In any case, considering how abandoned POE1 feels, if they release a league in a month, it’ll probably be full of bugs, and it’s expected they won’t even bother fixing them because the priority remains POE2. They’ll release a league “to appease people,” and it’ll be a garbage league (hopefully I’m wrong) that will barely get any support. That would be yet another sign of the brutal neglect POE1 is suffering in favor of a newer and mediocre game (mediocre, in my opinion of course).

GGG no longer respects anything, they don’t respect their users, this is the current problem. The money has gone to their heads, and unfortunately, the good numbers from casual POE2 players are giving them the wrong idea, but time always puts everything in its place, that’s for sure.
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Im a huge fan of PoE2, first off.

But this recent patch is hot garbage, absolute garbage. Why are loot and currency drops so low? Do you(reader) find it frustrating that you will likely not complete endgame because currency is so scarce you wont be able to trade for any top tier gear? Not to mention its boring not finding divines? I love when they drop, its fun.
Campaign is all fine and dandy, but the endgame is a boring slog. Too many complaints to list, but fubgun hit em all spot on, like streamers or not hes absolutely right about the endgame.

Im frustrated because i leveled a amith to 60, found out the clear speed is just always going to be super slow.
Rolled a huntress to 75, then realized that the deadeye has much better ascendancy skills for a spear than the huntress! Now im plugging away in the endgame and its like a loot desert. I love the difficulty, crank it up and im good, ive played all the dark souls and elden ring on new game+ pick a number, but its just so boring not finding things like divines, perfect jewelers, lvl 20 skill gems, and so on.

And for the comment about poe2 should be different than poe2, why should it? If folks loved poe1 give them more, and lets not forget the graphics on poe2 look amazing.

This recent patch is trying so hard to be ruthless its just not that fun after the campaign. And if you love the endgame im happy for you, wish it wasnt so boring for me just killing monsters repeatedly and finding nothing.
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rob_korn#1745 wrote:


You're just imagining and picturing some intent, that simply doesn't exist, and I kinda wonder why.


You're just imagining it.

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He's here for the "fun" of discussing, not for the cause itself. He cares about viewing himself as the winner of a discussion, not for the discussion to bring feedback to the game or to see/learn new perspective. He only answers posts/arguments he feels he can "pick apart".


You're projecting.
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Another reason many players aren't flocking to PoE is that it has been demonized so much as "Zoom-zoom boom-boom garbage," both by a surprising number of people who are merely parroting what they have heard, and even by Jonathan Rogers, the senior game developer for PoE Deuce.

If some of the "recreational visitors" here to play Deuce would just dip a toe into PoE, they might discover they enjoy it. Or not. But at least it is a fully-developed game. =9[.]9=


"Dipped a toe" into PoE1 for a decade-odd prior to 2's release. Watched it steadily turn from a game about making interesting and creative build decisions and mingling mechanics in fascinating and fun ways to a game about actually factually literally nothing but Make Moar Biggah Numbah, where any build that couldn't hit 100M pinnacle DPS and also genocide an entire map in less than sixty seconds gets laughed out of existence.

Watched the community go from a salty-at-times but fairly reasonable batch of folks to the worst, most toxic, xenophobic, and thoroughly awful batch of people I've ever encountered in gaming.

Watched it turn from a game where newer/less experienced or knowledgeable players could still get into the early stages of endgame on a ten or fifteen chaos budget to a game where a fifty-divine budget is considered "beginner-level."

Watched PoE1 become a wretched mockery of itself, to the point where I recently uninstalled it entirely.

People act like the only folks who enjoy Path of Exile 2 are so-called "tourists" who don't understand the True Draw and Allure of playing a game where clicking to move your character is seen as a Shitty Newb Mistake worthy of derision and scorn, where playing a character moving and generating skills slowly enough that you can understand what's happening on the screen is also considered worthy of derision and scorn, and where knowing the mystery secrets of apparating a thousand divines out of nothingness in a single afternoon is required to progress in a new league.

Nah. Maybe some of us who remember what Path of Exile used to be are still hoping PoE2 can stick the landing. Because right now, folks are pushing it further and further into just being PoE1.1, and if that's where it ends up? A game about moving faster than you can physically follow while spawning more attacks, spells and projectiles than you can physically keep track of and just completely ignoring every last single game mechanic the devs have worked up by dint of having just So Much Damage(TM)?

Then I guess PoE1.1 gets uninstalled, too. And all of this was for nothing.
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1453R#7804 wrote:
[...]fairly reasonable batch of folks[...]

Are you considering yourself in that category ?

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