I'm saying goodbye to the game

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

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Vzwson#6959 wrote:

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Ehpic_Smurv#3114 wrote:

people seem to think the game is fully released, it's an early access, essentially a beta.

The game at 1.0 is not going to be anything like 0.2 or even 0.1. it's going to get iterated on over the upcoming year+ and change every patch. Metas will shift and get re-defined. Good items will become bad, then tweaked back up over time. Bad items will also get tweaked up or down as needed.

if you can't get over that, maybe you shouldnt play early access/betas.

We understand this is in EA. What people are pissed about is that the game was 10x more rewarding and fun in .1. They have effectively made the game worse in every aspect possible.

They arent listening to feedback.

My brain is so cooked. I read your "They have effectively made the game worse in every aspect possible.", and read the "evectively" in Jonathan's voice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1h38i5w/jonathan_effectively_rogers/

ROFLLLL. I hate the man. I really do.

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Ehpic_Smurv#3114 wrote:

people seem to think the game is fully released, it's an early access, essentially a beta.

The game at 1.0 is not going to be anything like 0.2 or even 0.1. it's going to get iterated on over the upcoming year+ and change every patch. Metas will shift and get re-defined. Good items will become bad, then tweaked back up over time. Bad items will also get tweaked up or down as needed.

if you can't get over that, maybe you shouldnt play early access/betas.

this is not an excuse for making bad game

Endgame is still the same nothingburger except that you have to grind way more for your atlas points now. Cleansing the corruption is a fun idea but it gets old fast.

Hunting the citadels is lame as always and they are lame in itself. The big endgame maps are just the act boss maps? Oh come on! At least have them be new maps and bosses!

Also I feel like the endgame has a huge identity crisis. Does it want to be slow and methodical or does it want me to blast maps after maps if I ever want to go somewhere in terms of atlas progression and getting loot?

The whole tower things...I just dont like it but it may just be my personal taste.

Build diversity... uhm? Diablo 4 and its skill twig is actually laughing at us.

Passive tree is very bland and boring. PeE 1 even if you remove cluster jewels and stuff is just so much better.

Also I feel the stat requirements are a tad too high...

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MaxW81#9965 wrote:

Hunting the citadels is lame as always and they are lame in itself. The big endgame maps are just the act boss maps? Oh come on! At least have them be new maps and bosses!

I get a kick out of standing right next to Doryani in my hideout then going to kill him in a Stone Citadel. He even repeats the quest lines verbatim while coming off of his stage. Bit of a sequence / immersion break

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zeppppp#2612 wrote:

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Ehpic_Smurv#3114 wrote:

people seem to think the game is fully released, it's an early access, essentially a beta.

The game at 1.0 is not going to be anything like 0.2 or even 0.1. it's going to get iterated on over the upcoming year+ and change every patch. Metas will shift and get re-defined. Good items will become bad, then tweaked back up over time. Bad items will also get tweaked up or down as needed.

if you can't get over that, maybe you shouldnt play early access/betas.

this is not an excuse for making bad game

None of the complaints in the OP's post are intrinsic to the game. Actually, 90% of the complaints seem to be game balance-based. "I can't play with this build" and the sorts. Everything is fixable through balance changes. Will GGG do it or not? No idea. But they certainly can.

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

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Ehpic_Smurv#3114 wrote:

people seem to think the game is fully released, it's an early access, essentially a beta.

The game at 1.0 is not going to be anything like 0.2 or even 0.1. it's going to get iterated on over the upcoming year+ and change every patch. Metas will shift and get re-defined. Good items will become bad, then tweaked back up over time. Bad items will also get tweaked up or down as needed.

if you can't get over that, maybe you shouldnt play early access/betas.

You do understand tho, that 1.0 will only be good if we whine about all the stuff that is bad, right? In order for GGG to change and improve systems they need people whining about those systems that are not working. If the forum was silent and everyone would be "I won't post my frustrations couse it's EA" then 1.0 would look like 0.1.

I mean sure, feedback is needed but "Do THIS OR ELSE I WILL PLAY LE" is not really useful feedback. Neither is "0.2.0 is worse in every way than 0.1.0" , which is the worst kind of feedback you could give. 0.1.0 was definitely worse in one aspect and it is the one portal limitation and seriously, if you don't tone down your emotions when posting feedback you will only mislead and confuse the devs into making more mistakes or learning to ignore your views.

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vexorian#9572 wrote:

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

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Ehpic_Smurv#3114 wrote:

people seem to think the game is fully released, it's an early access, essentially a beta.

The game at 1.0 is not going to be anything like 0.2 or even 0.1. it's going to get iterated on over the upcoming year+ and change every patch. Metas will shift and get re-defined. Good items will become bad, then tweaked back up over time. Bad items will also get tweaked up or down as needed.

if you can't get over that, maybe you shouldnt play early access/betas.

You do understand tho, that 1.0 will only be good if we whine about all the stuff that is bad, right? In order for GGG to change and improve systems they need people whining about those systems that are not working. If the forum was silent and everyone would be "I won't post my frustrations couse it's EA" then 1.0 would look like 0.1.

I mean sure, feedback is needed but "Do THIS OR ELSE I WILL PLAY LE" is not really useful feedback. Neither is "0.2.0 is worse in every way than 0.1.0" , which is the worst kind of feedback you could give. 0.1.0 was definitely worse in one aspect and it is the one portal limitation and seriously, if you don't tone down your emotions when posting feedback you will only mislead and confuse the devs into making more mistakes or learning to ignore your views.

When people complain, of course there will be negative emotions. You should focus on solving the problem rather than solving the complainer.

And the game dev is paid to do this. Players pay money, and GGG receives the money. This is a business transaction. How can you blame the players who are angry about bad games and not pay attention to GGG who made bad games?

your comment is completely useless

i dont think the devs owe the player anything. if the game sucks the players will go elsewhere - that is the transaction in a nutshell, and obviously that specific result is the one they will try to avoid at all costs. they know how many people are logged in and what the common sentiments about their product are right now. threatening to play LE or not doesn't make one bit of difference

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vexorian#9572 wrote:

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

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Ehpic_Smurv#3114 wrote:

people seem to think the game is fully released, it's an early access, essentially a beta.

The game at 1.0 is not going to be anything like 0.2 or even 0.1. it's going to get iterated on over the upcoming year+ and change every patch. Metas will shift and get re-defined. Good items will become bad, then tweaked back up over time. Bad items will also get tweaked up or down as needed.

if you can't get over that, maybe you shouldnt play early access/betas.

You do understand tho, that 1.0 will only be good if we whine about all the stuff that is bad, right? In order for GGG to change and improve systems they need people whining about those systems that are not working. If the forum was silent and everyone would be "I won't post my frustrations couse it's EA" then 1.0 would look like 0.1.

I mean sure, feedback is needed but "Do THIS OR ELSE I WILL PLAY LE" is not really useful feedback. Neither is "0.2.0 is worse in every way than 0.1.0" , which is the worst kind of feedback you could give. 0.1.0 was definitely worse in one aspect and it is the one portal limitation and seriously, if you don't tone down your emotions when posting feedback you will only mislead and confuse the devs into making more mistakes or learning to ignore your views.

This isn't useless feedback. I've read a lot of the reviews. When they say they will go to "X other aRPG" it probably means they want to play an aRPG that plays like an aRPG, not an aRPG trying to be Elden Ring.

I mean PoE2 at 0.1 launch did a few things that people complained about in Diablo 4 (Hunt down all hidden rares), they should have read those reviews both negative and positive to see what people liked and disliked while in development.

To the same end they should read the reviews, positive and negative, of Last Epoch. I guarantee WASD didn't appear in Last Epoch randomly...

That or they should stop pretending to be an aRPG.

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vexorian#9572 wrote:

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KubaLy#4534 wrote:

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Ehpic_Smurv#3114 wrote:

people seem to think the game is fully released, it's an early access, essentially a beta.

The game at 1.0 is not going to be anything like 0.2 or even 0.1. it's going to get iterated on over the upcoming year+ and change every patch. Metas will shift and get re-defined. Good items will become bad, then tweaked back up over time. Bad items will also get tweaked up or down as needed.

if you can't get over that, maybe you shouldnt play early access/betas.

You do understand tho, that 1.0 will only be good if we whine about all the stuff that is bad, right? In order for GGG to change and improve systems they need people whining about those systems that are not working. If the forum was silent and everyone would be "I won't post my frustrations couse it's EA" then 1.0 would look like 0.1.

I mean sure, feedback is needed but "Do THIS OR ELSE I WILL PLAY LE" is not really useful feedback. Neither is "0.2.0 is worse in every way than 0.1.0" , which is the worst kind of feedback you could give. 0.1.0 was definitely worse in one aspect and it is the one portal limitation and seriously, if you don't tone down your emotions when posting feedback you will only mislead and confuse the devs into making more mistakes or learning to ignore your views.

I agree that Feedback should be on topic and objective and im all for removing Feedback that is not feedback and is just complain in this forum area. Outside of this Forum its a different story.