Gold costs for using the market are extremely annoying

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MathiasSoul#7397 wrote:

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avastcosmicarena#5899 wrote:

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FruitLord#0833 wrote:

I guess I don't get how this is possible really. I have like 4M gold. I've never found that gamble box, but how much trading are you doing? Do you run like 1 map and then craft/trade for hours?

Think about it a different way. Gold costs prevent hideout campers from wrecking the economy too quickly.

Get out and touch some maps...

Why do so many of you dislike crafters so much? They are literally the people making the items you all want. Without them, the quality of the Rare items for sale on the market would be way lower as they simply do not drop like that in the game. There is nothing wrong with sitting in your hideout. People did it in 0.1, people did it in 0.2, people do it now, people do it in POE 1. People will always do it, because it's efficient and less RNG vs running maps.

TRUUUE

As someone who doesn't craft often, I love our hideout warriors in both games and our card gambling degenerates in PoE1 who make me rich off of yellow juice

Strangely enough though, your running out of gold from doing heavy trade for a day is likely a good thing as it means it DOES work in preventing people and bots from exclusively spending time in the hideout playing the market

I'll tell you what, though, if I ever catch you asking around for it, I'll take you through any of my Castaway maps, my friend

Unfortunately, I think the bot runners have already figured out ways to combat the gold costs in an automatic way. Either that or they are just doing what regular players do and paying people to run Castaway maps as needed. I'd bet though that they have figured out some automated process. Like slamming white items with alchemy orbs and selling them for gold in mass or using Rog to buy rares and sell them back to him at a high rate for long periods of time. Stuff like that.

Bro, who cares about making money? What I meant is that majority of people prefer to play the game for the game and killing monsters not to stand 12 hours in you hideout and browse items on market. As I said earlier, if crafting is your way of playing this game, it might be a wrong game for you.

So many bad takes from people who have an obvious bias against a certain type of play. Every single currency item in the game is a crafting mat before a currency item. Those of you who get a divine to drop and think "YAY 400 exalt!" clearly look at the market completely different from those of us who look at a divine for its inherent ability when it comes to crafting.

When a map generates 100k-200kgold by picking up every single yellow item on the ground to vendor, and a craft can take hundreds of trades that each cost 100k-200k gold per trade, that could lead to dozens of hours of mapping to complete a craft on one single item. The balance simply is not there. The gold cost to exchange high end currency items is far to heavy compared to the rate its generated.

Castaway is great, I guess. A step in the right direction for focused gold farming. But they are too few and far between. Running a 994% T16 Castaway yielded me 700k gold. Great. However the 700k gold was immediately gone after about 5 trades. Want to pay for it on TFT? Ok, that'll be 1-2 divine per run. If that's the case, its the same as an option to buy gold from the currency exchange except with extra steps.

If you are sitting on millions of gold and your number only ever goes up, its safe to say you're not playing in a way where you experience the issue we are referring to. There is nothing wrong with that. However, you shouldn't discredit the complaints on an issue simply since you're not encountering it. This problem I feel is a huge component of why top tier crafts are selling for absorbent amounts due to the fact that if the gold costs were more reasonable there would be many more competitive options on the market for everyone to buy and sellers would need to compete more on pricing.

Crafters are the ones absorbing all the downside for the actions of botters, plain and simple.

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Jaroos666#7110 wrote:

Bro, who cares about making money? What I meant is that majority of people prefer to play the game for the game and killing monsters not to stand 12 hours in you hideout and browse items on market. As I said earlier, if crafting is your way of playing this game, it might be a wrong game for you.

Again, you have no clue. The vast majority of the playerbase cares about making currency, because currency is how you buy gear to play the good builds that people want to play. It's very, very obvious.

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avastcosmicarena#5899 wrote:

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Jaroos666#7110 wrote:

Bro, who cares about making money? What I meant is that majority of people prefer to play the game for the game and killing monsters not to stand 12 hours in you hideout and browse items on market. As I said earlier, if crafting is your way of playing this game, it might be a wrong game for you.

Again, you have no clue. The vast majority of the playerbase cares about making currency, because currency is how you buy gear to play the good builds that people want to play. It's very, very obvious.

We will have to agree to disagree, because I believe that you are wrong.

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Sidetraq#2110 wrote:

So many bad takes from people who have an obvious bias against a certain type of play. Every single currency item in the game is a crafting mat before a currency item. Those of you who get a divine to drop and think "YAY 400 exalt!" clearly look at the market completely different from those of us who look at a divine for its inherent ability when it comes to crafting.

When a map generates 100k-200kgold by picking up every single yellow item on the ground to vendor, and a craft can take hundreds of trades that each cost 100k-200k gold per trade, that could lead to dozens of hours of mapping to complete a craft on one single item. The balance simply is not there. The gold cost to exchange high end currency items is far to heavy compared to the rate its generated.

Castaway is great, I guess. A step in the right direction for focused gold farming. But they are too few and far between. Running a 994% T16 Castaway yielded me 700k gold. Great. However the 700k gold was immediately gone after about 5 trades. Want to pay for it on TFT? Ok, that'll be 1-2 divine per run. If that's the case, its the same as an option to buy gold from the currency exchange except with extra steps.

If you are sitting on millions of gold and your number only ever goes up, its safe to say you're not playing in a way where you experience the issue we are referring to. There is nothing wrong with that. However, you shouldn't discredit the complaints on an issue simply since you're not encountering it. This problem I feel is a huge component of why top tier crafts are selling for absorbent amounts due to the fact that if the gold costs were more reasonable there would be many more competitive options on the market for everyone to buy and sellers would need to compete more on pricing.

Crafters are the ones absorbing all the downside for the actions of botters, plain and simple.

100% agree. Most of the people commenting have no idea what they are talking about and obviously do not spend any time crafting or trading in this game. Do they even realize that they can just play SSF instead if they don't care about about the market? SSF exists and is for them, though there is a reason it's unpopular and only a very small percentage of the playerbase plays SSF.

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Jaroos666#7110 wrote:

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avastcosmicarena#5899 wrote:

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Jaroos666#7110 wrote:

Bro, who cares about making money? What I meant is that majority of people prefer to play the game for the game and killing monsters not to stand 12 hours in you hideout and browse items on market. As I said earlier, if crafting is your way of playing this game, it might be a wrong game for you.

Again, you have no clue. The vast majority of the playerbase cares about making currency, because currency is how you buy gear to play the good builds that people want to play. It's very, very obvious.

We will have to agree to disagree, because I believe that you are wrong.

There is nothing to disagree about. Your position is simply illogical. You think people don't want good gear in a game 100% about gear and builds that rely on having good gear? Why do you think 95%+ of players choose to play in the trade league instead of SSF? Why does every meta build popularized by content creators have the required items for the build shoot up in price? Have some common sense, man.

Bro lmfao.. You are ridiculous. You really trying to sit here and be like.. Yeah I just casually love not actually play the game and just abuse the market as much as I possibly can so I can buy the items I want to play the game when all the challenge is taken out of the equation. Honestly your takes are extremely suspicious and I'd bet you sell orbs on the internet. Like what are you even on about?

ALSO let's get one thing straight as you seem to think you're some type of victim. People like you sniping all available items for low costs required to craft powerful items is also making sure that no is casually trying to craft for themselves which could be a pretty fun experience and great for the game overall.

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Exiliest#5062 wrote:

Bro lmfao.. You are ridiculous. You really trying to sit here and be like.. Yeah I just casually love not actually play the game and just abuse the market as much as I possibly can so I can buy the items I want to play the game when all the challenge is taken out of the equation. Honestly your takes are extremely suspicious and I'd bet you sell orbs on the internet. Like what are you even on about?

ALSO let's get one thing straight as you seem to think you're some type of victim. People like you sniping all available items for low costs required to craft powerful items is also making sure that no is casually trying to craft for themselves which could be a pretty fun experience and great for the game overall.

How are you this clueless about the game that you play? Do you know anything about crafting? Do you know about people like Belton and xTheFarmerx and other very smart players who get rich every single league by profit crafting, making mirror tier items, and who post crafting tutorials on YouTube? Do you know about all of the new crafting mechanics intentionally put into the game for 0.3? How can you first claim that you have nothing against crafters to jumping to calling it "abusing the market" and accusing people of selling things for real money outside of the game simply because you don't understand what they are talking about because you don't engage in crafting or trading and don't understand the economy in the game?????

I legitimately don't understand how someone can be as clueless as you are about the game that you play. If you don't want the market to exist, play SSF. That's what it's there for. Instead, you play in the trade league while knowing nothing about it and then comment in threads about complaints about gold costs associated with trading/crafting, while knowing that you know nothing about it, and then accuse people of ridiculous things because you can't just take the L and admit that you are out of your element and shouldn't be engaging in this discussion.

It's insane to act like players don't care about currency when almost everyone plays in the trade league and we all see the cost of meta build gear go through the roof every single league. It's just the obvious facts. There is no arguing it. Furthermore, it's long been a strategy for a decade now in POE 1 for people to play "league starters" on the launch of a league to generate as much currency as they can as quickly as they can so that they can amass enough in game wealth to then go and buy whatever they want to play whatever build they want to play for fun. It's literally the normal and common way people play the game. Most people don't want to sit around making small amounts of currency, because most people want to be able to afford to play the builds they find fun. Again, there just is no arguing this. No one who understands POE 1 or 2 would argue with this. Everyone who does understand these games would tell you to simply go play SSF if you don't like and don't want to engage with the market. That's your choice. It's fine. But you also shouldn't be jumping in threads about the market and giving your opinions on it when you clearly do not like it and aren't very knowledgeable about it.

Not even going to read all that lil' bro put in it your diary.