Shaders/DirectX12 huge FPS drop.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Wut? Intel CPUs are some of the best

They’re really not, lol. The newest Intel chips aren’t exactly stellar, and even if they were, that wouldn’t magically boost older low-end models. What you’re seeing is just outdated hardware hitting its limits, and it shows. Since you mentioned you’re not an expert, it’s probably best to step back and not blame GGG or other players for issues that come from running into bottlenecks on old, weak hardware.

copyied my post from another thread:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3626908/page/1#p26449492
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DISCLIAMER:
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Please dont engage with ragebaiters and delete flame posts and responses to ragebaiters. This only polutes the thread and nothing get fixed.Please keep in mind this issue affect ppl with end game rigs.In the past i was able to play full juiced delirium maps with no issues.My rig is fully formated and reinstalled, with latest drivers, debloated system and the issue still persist. Once i kill fisrt pack of mobs, my fps plumets from 120 to 15-20, and cpu latency goes up from 4ms to 40ms and stays there as long the characters is in the area with dead bodies killed by poison.
Shader is not loading, network stable, drive not loading any data yet cpu latency is 40+ and directly corelates to fps loss.

ALSO, tried to change all the settings to high, but it ends with same result. Only good thing came out of this, that the rig can do 120 FPS in town or any hideout.

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THEORY:
- shaders and on death corpse effect are the cause

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SYSTEM LOAD DURING GAMEPLAY:
VRAM ~4/16GB,
CPU load ~40%,
GPU load ~80%.
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SPECS:

MSI MPG 870E Carbon WiFi
48GB DDR5 6000 CL30
AMD 6900 XT
2x nvme samsung 990 PRO 2 TB PCIe 4x
Ryzen 9 9900X3D @ 4.6 GHz (non-cache CCD disabled, HT on; HT/SMT toggle makes no difference)
Windows 11 24H2 Pro N
virt memory assign for both drives manually, each page file of 48GB.
connection: fiber optics 1Gbps, lat 14 ms
temperatures: cpu 46°C; gpu 53°C

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GRAPHIC SETTINGS:

windowed fullscreen,
resolution 2560×1440,
renderer DX12
vsync adaptive
triple buffering enabled(tried disabled, no effect)
antialiasing qual off
upscale mode NIS(tried FSR/off - no effect)
lightning shadows default
shadow qual low
sun shadow qual low
number of lights low
bloom 0.25
deboth of field disabled
water detail level low
texture qual low
texture filtering trilinear
dynamic culling enabled
dynamic resolution disabled
multirhreading enabled

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NOTES:

-when i kill the enemies, the cpu latency grow fast and affect other players as well
-when i kill no enemies, but other ppl with different build, this does not happen.
-did small test, got into area with many corpses and the poison death effect on them, fps 25. used detonate dead on all corpses on the screen, fps went up to 115.
- also, when there are only dead bodies (clear map), cpu utilisaiton is 34% and gpu utilisation is 42%, but CPU latency is 27 and fps is 36. So this is definitelly related to the poison death effect (at least in my case)
- tested also with different poison build and as long there is the poison dead efffect on the corpses, this issue persist.

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BUILD:
viper strike of the mamba

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SCREENSHOTS


# poison death effect cause
https://postimg.cc/75VGPw0p

# no corpses
https://postimg.cc/B8GTMHKc

# corpses killed cpu latency and fps
https://postimg.cc/hhhd8pYg
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from other topics, this issue might be related to this:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3872620/page/4#p26437139

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CONCLUSION:

issue seems to be related to shaders and on corpse effects,
this issue persists as long as the dead corpses killed by poison remain on screen. This might affect also other builds but i tested this solely on poison builds. Maybe there is some computation done on the corpse objects which are not handled by GPU but cpu only and thats why this is happening.

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PROPOSAL:

as quick fix, before correct, more komplex solution is done, please give us option to not render dead bodies and effects applied to them or similar.


With Regards
Ripper

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Yep, something is super bricked with Shaders and the game's performance and optimization. Doesn't matter what kind of high/low-end setup you've got, its broken in so many ways.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Also I have no clue what EOL even means, never heard of this phrase in my life. I'm on Windows 10, and personally can't wait for SteamOS so I can swap to that one kekw

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As for SteamOS, I hope you're patient. It'll never come for regular, average desktop PCs. Much less for configurations like yours (Nvidia).

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Wut? Intel CPUs are some of the best

They’re really not, lol. The newest Intel chips aren’t exactly stellar, and even if they were, that wouldn’t magically boost older low-end models. What you’re seeing is just outdated hardware hitting its limits, and it shows. Since you mentioned you’re not an expert, it’s probably best to step back and not blame GGG or other players for issues that come from running into bottlenecks on old, weak hardware.

Well said.

It ain't nobody's hardware, its the game's optimization. People with all kinds of PCs are having the same problems, these are the literal facts. This patch just bricked 50 different things with the game's shaders and performance.

same problem here, doesnt matter if directx12 or vulkan. if all settings are low or at maximum. once i initiate combat my fps drops significantly, on normal maps a drop from 180 to 90 might not be as bad, but on juiced maps it can go down to 25 or lower.
the shader graph is nearly always at maximum.

my spec:
cpu: ryzen 7 9800x3d
gpu: nvidia 5080
ram: 32 gb 6000 cl30
ssd: samsung 990 pro
mb: gigabyte x870e aorus

my fans are getting louder on poe than on cyberpunk on very high settings...

the same thing was happening to me, i couldn't even watch youtube while poe was open, constant shaders, disk and cpu spikes since the last patch (5800x 32gb ram and a rtx2080) tried reinstaling the game and deleting the cache folder and nothing worked until i manually deleted the nvidia cache folder and reinstaled the gpu drivers with the option to make a clean install selected in the driver installer, that instantly fixed the problem for me

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

It ain't nobody's hardware, its the game's optimization.

You're correct, this is a matter of the game's optimization. Like most forward-thinking companies, GGG chooses to embrace modern technology, designing their game to leverage newer hardware rather than remain tethered to outdated systems that would inevitably bottleneck performance, possibilities, productivity and options. Naturally, this leads to the situation you're experiencing, hardware that was once low entry-level simply cannot keep up anymore. That’s not a bug or oversight, it’s the nature of technological progression.

There’s nothing GGG can realistically do on their end to help in this situation, they no longer design their game around decade-old hardware. When the game was first released, these limitations didn’t quite catch players’ attention, and I highly doubt they’re going to provide new rigs to players in need just because someone repeatedly points fingers rather than acknowledging the reality, the hardware itself is at fault. Ultimately, that responsibility falls on the user, nobody is obligated to stick with technology that has long since become outdated.

It’s not a problem originating from GGG introducing imaginary issues. If there were an actual problem on their end, which, in this case, there isn’t, it would already have been addressed or flagged as a high-priority fix. Since neither has occurred, it should be clear that the game is not at fault, particularly when multiple experienced and knowledgeable players have confirmed this exact point.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

It ain't nobody's hardware, its the game's optimization.

You're correct, this is a matter of the game's optimization. Like most forward-thinking companies, GGG chooses to embrace modern technology, designing their game to leverage newer hardware rather than remain tethered to outdated systems that would inevitably bottleneck performance, possibilities, productivity and options. Naturally, this leads to the situation you're experiencing, hardware that was once low entry-level simply cannot keep up anymore. That’s not a bug or oversight, it’s the nature of technological progression.

There’s nothing GGG can realistically do on their end to help in this situation, they no longer design their game around decade-old hardware. When the game was first released, these limitations didn’t quite catch players’ attention, and I highly doubt they’re going to provide new rigs to players in need just because someone repeatedly points fingers rather than acknowledging the reality, the hardware itself is at fault. Ultimately, that responsibility falls on the user, nobody is obligated to stick with technology that has long since become outdated.

It’s not a problem originating from GGG introducing imaginary issues. If there were an actual problem on their end, which, in this case, there isn’t, it would already have been addressed or flagged as a high-priority fix. Since neither has occurred, it should be clear that the game is not at fault, particularly when multiple experienced and knowledgeable players have confirmed this exact point.

Surely.

Multiple people have already talked about problems with performance on this thread, with high-end PCs.

So yes, its the game.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

Surely.

Multiple people have already talked about problems with performance on this thread, with high-end PCs.

So yes, its the game.

Glancing through discussions from each league, it’s almost exclusively players running older hardware who encounter these issues. If you’re counting something like a GTX 1050, or similar vintage components as “high-end,” I’m honestly at a loss for words.

At the end of the day, your hardware is doing its best to survive, but it simply lacks the horsepower to keep up. You know it, I know it, almost anyone with basic hardware sense knows it… even GGG knows it. That’s why they haven’t “fixed” the problem, as the only way to truly fix it is by upgrading the bottlenecked hardware and that's not their job to do.