Is PoE2 even PoE?

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

So in 3.15 and onward, they made "ballistic" changes to PoE1 in player power, monster power, loot to get PoE1 be inline with PoE2 when they inevitably merge.

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

PoE1 and PoE2 now again, deviates too far from eachother to be the same game.

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

As a PoE1 passionate gamer, I refuse to recognize PoE2 as a "Path of Exile" game. If you insist on "meaningful combat" and Dark Souls Rollslop, you can keep your game, but have the dignity to call it another name.

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VoidWhisperer42#5989 wrote:

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

So in 3.15 and onward, they made "ballistic" changes to PoE1 in player power, monster power, loot to get PoE1 be inline with PoE2 when they inevitably merge.

If you had taken the time to read the manifesto for that patch back then, you would already know why those changes were introduced at the time. They were far from the sweeping upheaval you are trying to paint them as today, and the context from that period makes that perfectly evident.

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

PoE1 and PoE2 now again, deviates too far from eachother to be the same game.

Yes, naturally, because the two games are not even attempting to be identical. If they were meant to mirror each other, there would be no reason for both to exist as separate titles. A truly astonishing revelation, I know.

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

As a PoE1 passionate gamer, I refuse to recognize PoE2 as a "Path of Exile" game. If you insist on "meaningful combat" and Dark Souls Rollslop, you can keep your game, but have the dignity to call it another name.

I do not believe anyone needs to be a self described passionate PoE1 gamer to understand the difference between two distinct games, nor to recognise that a sequel is never meant to be a simple recreation of its predecessor. It is also worth remembering that even PoE1’s own patch history often required proper context to appreciate the reasoning behind certain changes, so a bit of uncertainty surrounding new directions is nothing unusual in a long running title.

The confusion here seems to come from treating meaningful combat and expressive movement abilities as if they automatically define a soulslike experience, even though PoE2 is nowhere near that category and has never attempted to be. And since PoE2 continues the story years after the events of the first game, calling it anything other than Path of Exile 2 would be inaccurate. A sequel carrying forward its own identity is not a lack of dignity, it is simply correct naming.

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AlvinL_#4492 wrote:

Oh my, you are definitely one to raise that point. *facepalm*

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

But no substance. No facts presented. No real argument.

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eperon#3129 wrote:

Many of you already know this (and might have possibly mentioned it, I didn't read all comments here), but for those that don't, I thought that a look back at where it all started might be beneficial to this discussion.

Almost 13 years ago (January 2013), 0.10.0, the open beta for PoE 1 was released. If you look at some of the gameplay footage from back then (random example from ZiggyD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfuq_JlGYUA), you will notice that the game played quite a bit differently compared to modern PoE. It almost looks like "meaningful combat" - players dealt less damage and had less aoe, even some of the white mobs were hard to one shot. If the graphics weren't this outdated, you might actually think that this was footage from PoE 2's campaign.

Every time I play through the campaign of PoE 2, I can't help but be reminded of PoE 1's early days. It's a bit unfortunate that PoE 2 tried to ramp up it's endgame to PoE 1 levels so early in it's dev cycle - we all got so used to blasting through the campaign and most of the endgame in PoE 1 that GGG probably felt the need to scale PoE 2's endgame to comparable levels from the get go.

I hope that the changes to pack size in endgame for 0.4 and whatever is in store for 0.5 in April will help to properly define PoE 2's endgame identity.

Be patient with the game, there is no reason to get angry at the devs or other players who might prefer other playstyles than your own. Look at PoE 1, where it came from and how it got to where it is now and allow PoE 2 to take it's own journey, it's far from done!

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Yep ... I wrote exactly this about 6 pages ago lol

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

For the love of god......please READ what I wrote and what you quoted twice now

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

ExileCon 2019 PoE 2 gameplay: https://youtu.be/KHA3cYpkMYA
Listen to how they describe that game and just freaking WATCH the gameplay. And that's BEFORE they update the tech, this is just them jerry-rigging PoE 1 to "work" with their PoE 2 new-age vision so that they can show gameplay. You can find the Jonathan Gameplay Reveal video and he goes into even more detail about their desire to SLOW everything down and change how the game works on a fundamental level.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

I'll say it again because its important: context...from 2019 in the FIRST LOOK, they don't want it to be PoE 1. Slower gameplay, layered skills, tactical play, less aura power, far more strategic beefy and dangerous bosses....its all there right in 2019.