POE2 disrespecting our time (Post-0.4.0)
" It's nmot poe Not GGG It is you who do not respect his own time. Auctioneer House - is a MUST!
'POE2' is not 'POE1 2.0'! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3614313 |
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" Never once did I claim the heavy RNG does not belong in ARPGs. The difference between Diablo 2 and POE2 is in Diablo 2 I can find end game items from the stuff I kill. In POE2 you can not, it is statistically impossible for a drop to be end game worthy aka all t1 stats like I said before. Yet you want to compare the 2, a game made 25 years ago to a game thats a year old. Times have changed people have changed nobody wants 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000 odds of getting a good item its 2026 not 2001. " This is subjective as I can run 1 hell baal run and get a zod aka RNG but you knew that. So then lets use real runes that are used often as zod as you know is not the most sought after rune Jah, Ber, Ist, and Um are. Countess is also not the most efficient farm for runes you know this also. I was just using that as an example that I can in fact run the same thing over and over in Diablo 2 to get what I need however in POE you can run t16 maps all day long for eternity and never get a single end game item. " Again you are talking about sub par end game items over a month in the league that has economy completely tanked due to the rampant cheating (exploiting) of the temple. Find that same stats 2 days in the season you are paying multiple divs. But lets get to the items you posted in next quote ill skip arguing with you about what an ARPG is and isnt cause you dont get it nor ever will. " This is specific wand for a chaos build not for the build I want to use so it is complete trash. Check poe.ninja for builds find that chaos builds are less than .1% of the player base hence why its cheap af nobody wants that crap. So lets put a real wand that people want with real stats here is link for you: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Fate%20of%20the%20Vaal/mkG7MgOzf6 Uncorrupted with mods that you want on your wand to be end game: +4 all spell levels, 2x damage as extra, flat spell damage, and crit for spells o look its lowest one not even all t2 stats or higher for 375div. Not feasible for a normal player to ever get in their lifetime but I digress lets look at your next trash item you posted. " Last season you ran this and again not end game gear nobody uses hybrid end game body armor because I can get more benefit off a real chest piece for end game lets get you a link on that too: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Fate%20of%20the%20Vaal/aLg2Ma38fe Uncorrupted 1000+ ES 40div again lets pull out the credit card because any NORMAL player will never see 40 raw div drops in a single season. Sure they could get lucky get a lucky drop that sells for 50div like HH but we aint talking about that. " These rings are trash like complete trash sure they add to your damage but are specific to attack builds only. So lets say i am a spark build and want the stats that benefit my build lets look how expensive they are with correct stats here is a link: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Fate%20of%20the%20Vaal/4m2yo0q8s9 40 div ring thats just for 1, lets say you use kalandras ring to duplicate it thats another 50ex at current market price which is doable ez for that ring cool 1 cheap slot but weeks ago kalandras was way more. All of the gear you posted is for a specific ED/Contagion build that nobody plays (its 1% of builds that play with ED vs 21% of builds that use Spark). Furthermore ED/Contagion is a season starter not end game speeds like spark lets also look at top DPS. TOP ED on poe.ninja right now does 440k DPS which is not bad would cost 100s of 1000s of divs to copy his build currently. TOP Spark on poe.ninja right now does 2.2mil (spark) and 78mil (comet) which is insane and would cost again 100s of 1000s of divs to copy his build currently. Edited above numbers before you come back with "that's comet damage", ED/Contagion doesnt have bombs that drop. So you post cheap items for build that is not used by anyone in the game I post items for what 1/4 of players are playing with and you see a MAJOR difference in price. Sure if I want a slow boring zzzzz build that i watch mobs health slowly go down till they die ill play ED/Contagion build, but if i want to blow up the screen and decimate ubers I will play spark. Anyways its hard to prove a point to someone as blinded as you are to the fact that we don't kill for loot we kill for bases and play a lottery machine for end game loot unlike what people want and that's to find the loot by killing stuff in the game. I shouldn't have to rely on bob the credit card warrior to make the end game mirror tier item so I can pay him 100s of divs for said item. I should be able to find this item by grinding maps and get as a drop. Last edited by steven0006#1294 on Jan 13, 2026, 7:55:03 AM
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" Sure, but that's not the argument my comment was for. " Those sub par items carry you through all content the game has. If the top tier items were gotten in 8 hours, why would anyone ever use those "sub par" items? " Yes, gear is often specific to builds in this game. " Right, you want top general spell level mod, at least T2 spell damage, two extra damage mods, and crit chance. Why should that be cheap? It's close to best item in the slot you can have. To me makes no sense that was something that you can get in 8 hours. Or really necessarily even 80 hours. Cuz, ultimately, there isn't much more to go for after that wand. You can get a bit better rolls, start turning the extra damages to higher tiers, get a good corruption - but honestly with a sound build and that wand with gear of similar caliber to go with it, you're already screen clearing everything effortlessly. " Why do you want that? IMO it's a pretty bad mindset to have that everything below being close to BiS is "trash". That's the actual problem of unrestricted trade in my opinion. At the end of the day, you can do all content with much cheaper wand than what you think the end game needs. " Again, you don't need 1000 ES on your body to do all the end game content. You can easily get by with like 800. If only close-to best possible stuff is "real gear", then yeah, I can see how playing a game designed around a lot of grinding and trading is frustrating to you. " I used a ring like that to do juiced T15/T16s and all the pinnacle bosses. I wouldn't say it's "trash". It's a very good ring that enables you do all content. " Exactly 1 was for ED/Contagion. The other two are based on what my highest level char had when I stopped playing previous league. " On HC - which I only play on, one of the reasons being a healthier economy, though I'd play HC even with a worse economy - 5% of chars at level 80 and above are ED/Contagion, compared to 8% being Spark. ED/Contagion is totally viable and easy to set up to do all end game content with. " ED/Cont DPS is a bit tricky to calculate without setting up specifically for it in PoB. And yeah definitely the top build's gear needs to be hundreds of thousands of divs. " The armour is generic to any EV/ES and the ring is generic to any attack build wanting any flat damage. And yeah this is indeed it. People watch streamers and YouTube clips where someone clears the whole screen with one cast and everything explodes immediately the moment they see it. And then they want to copy the same build. And get angry when they realize that to do that actually needs a lot of grinding. " Have you ever tried SSF? Lots of good useful loot to be found. " But.. Why? That would devalue currency items, thus making trade a more haphazard experience, and make the players who grind a lot hit a progression ceiling a lot faster than they do now. Last edited by tzaeru#0912 on Jan 13, 2026, 7:59:37 AM
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" The fact that you can't see the glaring inefficiency in how you're running the campaign, and don't bother to even google your problems, says a lot about where the problem really is. And the fact that you seem to think anyone better than you must be RMT is just... yeah. Here's a hint, you don't have to portal back every single time you get a quest item. Now have a think, if that isn't too hard, and maybe you can see how you can improve your completion time of the campaign. |
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2. NO. 3. NO. 1. "empty zones (especially in Acts 2 & 3) with zero density." If you're at this point still worried about something that takes a few hours total out of your entire league... Nothing to comment. You just want to finish the game instantly. 2. "WE NEED A CAMPAIGN SKIP / ADVENTURE MODE It is 2026. Diablo 4 has a Campaign Skip." If D4 is any kind of reference for you.... Nothing to comment. You just want to finish the game instantly. 3. "SSF IS UNPLAYABLE (Forced Trade) I want to play Solo Self-Found. I don't want to trade." Guess what? Again, you just want to get everything instantly. SSF is playable. Trade is playable. Mixing both is playable. Hell playing solo in standard is playable. You just want an instant carnival flashing screen to play it for 4 hours total and never come back. You got D4 and LE for that. And even PoE1 gets to that level after only one day of half assed not even planned gameplay. PoE2 is not for everyone and apparently it's not for you. |
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" Sure buddy glad that you believe that. I would like to see you make a build level 85 with that sub par gear kill T4 breech boss, hell i bet some map boss's you couldn't even kill. Let alone play with a buddy you will never kill boss's in maps and will die constantly. " Nobody said it has to be gotten in 8 hours, you arnt even finishing story to get to maps in 8 hours at start of season. Even full groups that dedicate to speed running the start do it in 5 but they still arnt doing t15 maps in 8 hours. Nor will they have run 100+ t16 maps to get the end game loot I said you should be able to get as drops. " So tell me why again it matters that I get loot from killing stuff that actually matters vs the loot we currently get that is 99.9999999999999999% trash? If i had more gear to play with that mattered I could try more builds and have more fun instead of paying 100s of 1000s of divs to get each build going to a state that I feel like a god not a peasant. " Bro that wasnt even best of the best that was +4 you can get +5, I didnt add max roll for % damage as extra so its low rolls there, even the %spell damage wasnt even high roll. Sure we could drop it down to +2 or +3 cost us pennies but we are not talking about mid tier loot we are talking end game loot and what i posted is end game what you posted is mid tier at best. " That would not be an end game piece then that would be mid tier at best yet again you are comparing items that sure you could get by and die a lot because flat 200 ES on body armor is roughly 600+ ES to your character or more depending on your skill tree & jewels. Which this is the difference between being 1 shot by Arbiter and not being 1 shot by Arbiter. Aka you are at end game or you are at mid game. You speak of mid game loot, I am speaking end game loot. " On an attack build sure let me guess LA build you used cause lets face it that ring has 2 stats that mean 0 to spark coc comet, or ed/contagion cause they are spells not attacks. And sure you did all end game content on LA but what level did you make it to because I bet you didn't get past level 92 cause with the gear you are showing you would be 1 shot all the time in t15's and doubt you could even do a juiced map let alone a t16 juiced map you would die on first pack of mobs. " Nobody plays ED/Contagion in end game sorry. " You are comparing 2 different modes here that house 2 different types of players. 1 type the glass cannon type and the other type defensive i cant die type. Ofc ED/Contagion is king over spark in HC I wont get into why as you should know why. " See this right here is the problem. Why do you think it should cost so much for top end game builds like what I posted? Its a video game not a job bro you shouldn't have to dedicate 1000+ hours each season just to reach the currency to get said builds. You shouldn't have to exploit the game to get the currency to be a god. You shouldn't have to play auction house simulator 2.0 to get the currency needed for the gear. You shouldn't have to sit in your h/o for hours on end rolling items to finally get a good item. None of that is playing an arpg game that then is just an economy simulator and we want a video game not a job. " A lot of grinding? um no sir they just pull out their credit card and pay the RMT mafia that each season runs the economy into the ground with the bots/exploiting/and as said before the same group pays to get the first Mirror item people want so they print money without ever leaving their h/o. " If the loot drops were 1000x higher in SSF sure I would but they arnt and why would I gimp myself in playing the game never seeing a single end game item like I posted because RNG hates me? Na no thanks. " Who cares its a game who cares if some guy is mad he can no longer sell his pixel for 100$ cash money. Stop feeding the RMT'ers start feeding the PLAYERS! |
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Use essence for your + levels and then facture a rare weapon with higher + levels where you've used annulment and omens to remove affixes. Not that hard.
I only play SSF and it is my duty as one to inform you of my status.
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" Well I've been doing the pinnacles and juiced T15/T16s on the sort of gear I've pasted here. On HC. So it's not a matter of belief to me, it's just what I've concretely done. You can also google for builds costing a couple of div and look at videos of people clearing anything and everything with them. " Well you did say that there should be mirror tier drops every 8 hours. And if they drop that much, you'd essentially ever use these "sub par" items at the start of the league. " You get a lot more good drops than 0.00000000000001%. I think the problem is mostly trade here. Trade makes items that in absence of trade would seem awesome be totally worthless. Like HCSSF players might have gear on them that is worth a couple of exalts on SC trade and be doing juiced T15s/T16s and pinnacles with that gear. To a SC trade player, the gear seems worthless, because they are accustomed to getting good gear for essentially free, and then when they start hitting the curve of exponentially more expensive gear, they get frustrated cuz they stop progressing in gear. " The vast majority of builds can clear high level maps and do pinnacles at a decent pace with 10 divs. But yeah, if you want to be able to explode screens and kill tiered pinnacles in seconds without needing to grind for a hundred hours for the gear - well, I think that's explicitly something that PoE2 devs have not wanted PoE2 to be. " I'm speaking loot that lets you do all content. Btw, never had a 1k ES body armor, yet I've done my pinnacles and T15/16s without dying even once on that char. " Yes, different builds use different gear. That ring was indeed based on my LA setup from the previous league. While the wand was based on my previous witch this league. " No, I did juiced T15s/T16s and pinnacles on that char without dying a single time, until I eventually died to triggering Abyss and my FPS tanking to the point where I couldn't even dodge roll anymore. There's not very many true one shots in this game. The ones there are, are generally quite avoidable. " 6% of level 95+ characters on HC are ED/Contagion. " It's the same game we play, so obviously it's comparable. And you are wrong if you think HC players play chars that can't die. That's not even remotely correct and is just a major misconception. " End game builds cost 10 div and less. The builds of hundreds of divs are indeed for the players who play the game a lot and optimize the heck out of it. " Do you have any statistics or other data for how common RMT really is? Cuz I don't anecdotally know anyone who's done it, and many of those people have ran end game builds. |
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" Essence gives +3 to 1hd items and +5 to 2hd items which is not top rolls these are T3 rolls. This is mid tier gear not end game gear. Then you speak of fracture gear and using annulment + omens sure lets look at the current cost of this. Buy said item base 2os Exception Duelist Wand: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Fate%20of%20the%20Vaal/zbKQjgB0c4 147 Div Use crafting mats to make it rare then annul to 1 stat = 1 alchemy orb to get rare then if it rolls only 3 stats not 4 you need 2 annulment orbs which currently equals 27ex each. Now we have the base with 1 yellow mod to reroll till we hit +5. Spend roughly 1500 chaos orbs to get +5 to all spells. Total for this = 27div give or take 1 div. Then add 2 mods + 1 desecrate mod and slam with fracture orb hope it hits the +all spells. Then annul/omen till you get all the t1 stats you need. Well just say another 100div cause im not breaking it down further than this as you say its easy. So this alone to try and craft end game wand would run around 300 div to craft yourself. This is at current market prices. But a week in this same wand would have cost about 50 div to make which is reasonable. So no its not "ez" unless you are a credit card warrior and pay the RMT sites which I could bet money all the people defending crafting and saying "its easy", are RMT'ers 100% fact. |
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I completely agree with the author. The game is not designed for people who have a job and only have a maximum of 3–4 hours of free time per day.
I had a 14-day vacation and played 12–14 hours a day, and during that time I achieved almost nothing in the endgame. My progress was about 1–2% of everything I wanted to try. If you have less than 4 hours of free time per day, it is completely pointless to play this game. The standard league can still be considered somewhat playable. But new leagues, in a game where you get 1 divine per day after 12 hours of play, and after 4 months everything you saved is taken away and you have to start again, have a completely broken design for people who have responsibilities in real life. It feels like the game is designed around streamers and people who do not have real-life responsibilities. If you offer an SSF experience, then adjust the design for SSF. SSF has its own stash and its own characters, so why does SSF mode use the design of the trade league? Games are created so people can relax, not suffer. So if you take money for microtransactions, give players a feeling of satisfaction after a workday, not just killing time before the next workday. |
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