Trade in PoE is not good and takes away from immersion

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zakalwe55 wrote:

If you want innovation in trading you have to look at Torchlight Infinite or Last Epoch.

Last Epoch trading faction has been a huge failure as expected WDYM? If anything it has just shown how right GGG is about not implementing AH.

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Last Epoch trading faction has been a huge failure as expected WDYM? If anything it has just shown how right GGG is about not implementing AH.

care to elaborate, most people I have talked too have very little complaints about it. Mostly they complained that they don't get some of the stuff the solo people get to target farm things, but they can trade for it instead. Seems like a choice that has clear upsides and downsides and better implemented than anything GGG did in the last 8 years.

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roundishcap wrote:

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Last Epoch trading faction has been a huge failure as expected WDYM? If anything it has just shown how right GGG is about not implementing AH.

care to elaborate, most people I have talked too have very little complaints about it. Mostly they complained that they don't get some of the stuff the solo people get to target farm things, but they can trade for it instead. Seems like a choice that has clear upsides and downsides and better implemented than anything GGG did in the last 8 years.

LE Bazaar in a nutshell:

- horrible UI
- most uniques are unsellable unless they have either neigh perfect rolls or LP
- 20 different traders for each type of item.. just for idols you have 6 traders which is the opposite of the idea that everything is under one roof and adding back tediousness which the AH supposedly should solve
- no pricecheck functionality
- items are sorted by time by default and not by gold low->high

PoE Live Search will be transformed into PoE Instant Buyout in case of marketplace or PoE Fake Auctioners in case of AH. Expect another wave of crying about 0.1% of nolifing streamers / abusers which captured / manipulate the market and not allowing to buy the items for the fair price.

LE's trade is (or was, don't know if anything changed in the last few months) was horrible.

If anything, TLI's trade house - despite its awful mobile UI - is a hundred times better than LE's because you can target specific modifiers AND values to look for even on unique items; no need to click a billion times to scroll through dozens of pages to find what you need.

I'll take POE trade over LE any day.

based. ssf only because trade is ass

The real secret to making trade work is botting, or having a dedicated trader that works for you. I mean somee streamers have like an entire team that rolls/opens maps, ghostrunners, crafters. Like imagine the game when trades are automatic for you, items create themselves, and every map comes pre rolled and ghosted for you. They really are playing a different game.

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Trade in PoE is not good and takes away from immersion

I'd say that, but it's not that they need a new system (current one is mostly fine, just the players being dumb that ruins it)

The moment a player thinks that trading is a thing that should be done is the moment that the fun drains out of the game, their focus moves from enjoying what they can do within their means to "but look at what they(other players) can do" that then puts them into a mindset where everything is about making currency to gain value from their time and make these broken builds that will get nerfed.

I'd prefer that they removed trading entirely.

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MLGonthorian wrote:

You're sitting there for 3-4 hours buying things you need for running your maps

ive never needed to buy anything to run my maps. if you chose to do a strat that involves using a lot of other peoples found items just to run content then ur doing it because you want to do it, and if it wasnt considerably profitable for you to do it in some way you wouldnt be doing it. part of that price is your time and considering you are paying that price and still doing it then you obviously have worked out its a fair price.

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Zandafolf wrote:

I see and understand their excuse as purposeful friction but its still not a good reason. Once you're in farm mode, a lot of time is spent just sending trades back and forth instead of playing the actual game.

but it means u get the things you want quicker than playing.

if trade was not saving you time you wouldnt bother doing it. yes it takes time to do, and yet cuts down the amount of time you have to play to get what you want by a huge amount.

the less time it takes you to make those trades the wider that gap gets and therefor the wider the gap between traders and non traders gets and the harder it is to balance the game. and no, people going ssf doesnt solve that because most people who want to do a few trades and share some gear with their mates dont actually want to trade 24/7 like the tradecore fundamentalists with 100s of divines.

if you want to spend more time playing the game then just dont trade or trade less, the game works perfectly fine without trading.

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murdouken wrote:

As someone who already has enough monitors to make that specific part of trade not a problem, "buy another monitor" is an absolutely fucking insane response from a GGG rep on that complaint.

Has anyone at GGG ever tried playing their game on anything but a dev setup? Do they have any idea what their game is like for someone who can't afford the newest hardware every patch?

having 2 monitors is not a dev setup, having 2 monitors is a standard pc users setup as of about 15 years ago.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

How do so many people fail to realize that an instant buyout one click trade system is ONLY good for large organized groups? That it instantly means every single item of even moderate rarity is permanently pricefixed where players outside of the top 1% have no possible chance of obtaining them and those who can are going to pay FAR more than they pay right now?

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Cyzax wrote:

D3 made that clear enough. Then they realised their mistake in putting it in, and removed trading...

+1

Trading in POE is pure cancer
It SHOULD be automated.

I.e. separate cashe with limited space and tabs (similar to our bank) but not only visible via site to others, but accessible without you too!

Why they STILL aint got it - I have no idea