T17s are still an overtuned mess that are also annoying to roll

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Toforto wrote:

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How is 8300 es low, that's an insane amount of hp.

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Yes its ephemeral edge with resolute technique corrupt, thats the bis weapon for the build. Also his dps tooltip reached 1 billion with all buffs and Focus active so no the build has more than enough dps to delete everything.

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And I wouldn't even know how to get more hp on a character like that, probably have to buy mirror-tier gear or something.

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This is exactly the problem with t17s, the bar is way too high. Unreal expectations of builds to be able to do them. I can't believe 8300 es is considered low somehow lol

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Ulsarek wrote:

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Toforto wrote:

I shouldn't have to make a completely seperate character just to do these maps comfortably

Yes, you absolutely should. T17 isn't a natural jump in maps like T15 > T16 is. T17s are optional end-endgame content.

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Toforto wrote:

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How is 8300 es low, that's an insane amount of hp.

It's not a insane amount, that's something people have day 3 on a fresh trade league and about day 5 on ssf once they switch over to CI.
On a 500+ div budget that's extremely low and inefficient especially on a trickster.
Those types of builds have a harder time dealing with physical damage and anything that's not getting blocked is just a one shot with such a tiny amount of ES.

People already reached twice as much ES years ago way before we had all the newly introduced power creep toys lol.

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Yes its ephemeral edge with resolute technique corrupt, thats the bis weapon for the build. Also his dps tooltip reached 1 billion with all buffs and Focus active so no the build has more than enough dps to delete everything.

Clearly not the case as he wouldn't die to some random one shots if the enemies die before they get to touch him. But yea with 8k es that's kinda mediocre damage and even the nimis ain't gonna carry that out.

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And I wouldn't even know how to get more hp on a character like that, probably have to buy mirror-tier gear or something.

Better gear, proper passive point pathing. There are many ways but mirror tier gear is obviously not at fault as other players do overcome the 8k mark in both ssf and trade league early on way before mirror gear exists. But tell me that you and your friend don't know much about ES stacking without telling us that you don't know much about ES stacking.

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This is exactly the problem with t17s, the bar is way too high. Unreal expectations of builds to be able to do them. I can't believe 8300 es is considered low somehow lol

It's a non existent problem as people run those maps on various crazy builds early league in ssf without issues.

The real problem is that some players either lack the skill or knowledge to use their character properly, try to tank stuff they are not supposed to tank, or they simply straight build a pretty scuffed build that doesn't even function in t16 maps. Often it's also the case that they fail to follow simple guide instruction and end up with a different build as advertised or copy&paste wrong builds without the insight of why a certain build picks certain things.
I mean we have individuals copy&pasting mageblood builds without having a mageblood and they somehow get all surprised that the build feels unsatisfying and scuffed to play cause the copied build version is simply not made as a non mb build