T17s are still an overtuned mess that are also annoying to roll

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Toforto wrote:

My effective hit pool is 17k, yet I can do 6/7 uber bosses on this build but t17s are cringe. That means yet again they've failed at what the purpose of t17s was, a "bridge" between ubers and normal endgame. "Hurr durr just build defences just copy paste everyone's hc ssf meta build and do the boring checklist while having 500k dps and being tanky" isn't a solution to this problem. There are also still the cancer build-bricking mods which for some reason weren't removed when they removed some mods from rolling on t17s. "Just play a build with max suppression,max res" etc. etc. isn't an answer, because any build that isn't close to any of those suppress nodes and that can't use evasion gear just can't do that.

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Johny_Snow wrote:

Doesn't matter what you have, you are so weak a single gust of wind will topple you. You can only depend on your freezes which won't work on T17.

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FalkenRaiding wrote:

You say 17k like it's good? Yikes.

Anyways...

Try and reverse your own argument: if there were NO mods that incentivised good defenses, we might as well remove defenses from the game and just play "how quick can you kill shit".

You build excels at bosses because you nuke it so fast, passively and from a distance, that your defenses doesn't matter.

But guess what, if you want to run juiced up T17s, your defenses DOES (and SHOULD) matter.

Very few builds can/should be able run run all content.

And if yours isn't one of them I guess you can A) build your char for the content you're doing or B) whine on forums hoping that GGG will let you have your cake and eat it too.

Seems like you chose the latter.

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Toforto wrote:

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FalkenRaiding wrote:

You say 17k like it's good? Yikes.

Anyways...

Try and reverse your own argument: if there were NO mods that incentivised good defenses, we might as well remove defenses from the game and just play "how quick can you kill shit".

You build excels at bosses because you nuke it so fast, passively and from a distance, that your defenses doesn't matter.

But guess what, if you want to run juiced up T17s, your defenses DOES (and SHOULD) matter.

Very few builds can/should be able run run all content.

And if yours isn't one of them I guess you can A) build your char for the content you're doing or B) whine on forums hoping that GGG will let you have your cake and eat it too.

Seems like you chose the latter.

Those things are very easy to say for someone who can farm these maps easily aren't they.

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FalkenRaiding wrote:

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Toforto wrote:

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FalkenRaiding wrote:

You say 17k like it's good? Yikes.

Anyways...

Try and reverse your own argument: if there were NO mods that incentivised good defenses, we might as well remove defenses from the game and just play "how quick can you kill shit".

You build excels at bosses because you nuke it so fast, passively and from a distance, that your defenses doesn't matter.

But guess what, if you want to run juiced up T17s, your defenses DOES (and SHOULD) matter.

Very few builds can/should be able run run all content.

And if yours isn't one of them I guess you can A) build your char for the content you're doing or B) whine on forums hoping that GGG will let you have your cake and eat it too.

Seems like you chose the latter.

Those things are very easy to say for someone who can farm these maps easily aren't they.

Correct, and you can probably kills Ubers way easier than me.
Build difference for different content.

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Toforto wrote:

Yes such good game design, only the top 0.000000001% who have 10 mirror builds can farm t17s for good rewards by abusing rogue exiles, meanwhile everyone else suffers. Very cool.