PoE2: One death in map and its bricked.

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EllAnteres#7194 wrote:

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

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Timbo Zero#8289 wrote:

Its basically heist rules for mapping.

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Not quite. There are ways to return and pick stuff you dropped in heist. I hope you didn't mean we also must drop things on death.

Heist is that way because it's extremely easy with high value, close-to-guaranteed reward. Hardest heist run are on level of act 9 complexity or earlier maps, juiced grand-heist are akin to mid-tier maps.

Blueprints

You can fully come out(rouges harbor)and in(your current blueprint) infinite times actually to store what you got even before tripping the safes.

Alarm and die though you cannot go back.

In terms of difficulty only the boss for POE2 will have that part mapping is still mapping. So they are pretty equivalent in difficulty.

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Zoddo#3014 wrote:

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EllAnteres#7194 wrote:

You can't reward by punishing.

Isn’t something far more rewarding and meaningful when it’s challenging? Achievements carry greater weight when they require focus, learning from past mistakes, and persevering through failure with the determination to improve. Without the experience of failure, success loses its significance. Similarly, without consequences or setbacks, there’s no opportunity to build resilience or strengthen one’s will to succeed.

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Zoddo#3014 wrote:

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EllAnteres#7194 wrote:

You can't reward by punishing.

Isn’t something far more rewarding and meaningful when it’s challenging? Achievements carry greater weight when they require focus, learning from past mistakes, and persevering through failure with the determination to improve.

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

In terms of difficulty only the boss for POE2 will have that part mapping is still mapping. So they are pretty equivalent in difficulty.

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EllAnteres#7194 wrote:

I concur that that fits only very certain psyche. WHich isn't common, often called "achiever", sometimes jokingly claled 2%-percenter - some veery old and overly optimistic estimate on percentage of people to gain wealth and success.
That psyche isn't every gamer-like, people like that tend to move on to achieve something in real life rather doing that in game. Therefore my estimate of people I know personally that they would try this and then quit.

There are also some people thatget hormonal addiction on stress. One of form are workaholics but there are some gamers too, especially in PoE. But they usually are addicted to one particular aspect or form and such addiction isn't a good thing. ALl it matters how brain is wired and not much, save some artifical chemistry, can change that.

Learning from past mistakes also requires ability to repeat these mistakes and that requires a minimum time between attempts if fight involves mechanical reaction from player, not relying on character's gear or defenses. That's how muscle memorywork. ALso, there is limited _stack_ of these short-term memories for most humans.Just compare - many people fail Maven's memory game and that's not even a hardest test on short term memry. It's made harder by barey visible (in some circumstances) visual effects and some bugs, but people still fail.

Don't make mistake - in past I farmed _hard_ stuff. Like 40men raids in old WoW, or timed runs of Heroic raids later. But we were able to repeat try every 5-7 minutes, we had extensive logging tools (including mods to log what a _player_ had done incorrectly - and sometimes was it's a millisecond worth mistake because someone forgot something) and it took _dozens_ of times to perfect some of the stuff. Switch one person out of team and you have to go to training again. I know how stressful it is, how people were burning out, even a suicide happened in raid guild, which prompted Blizzard to investigate.

That's wat I would like to see in PoE2 f it goes WoW way - and it seems goes to become a weird mix of Dark Souls and WoW - presence of adjustable UI - maybe in FF way, not with mods - and analitic tools with some form of drilling. Put a cooldown on boss - if you had done it, you have to wait until cooldown runs out. That also solves some economy issues. Or how it is in WoW again, you can run it again, tohelp others,but you won't get boss loot drop.

We also did constant beta-testing of bosses on test server. Quite often a new tactic-based boss is either buggy or absolutely impossible to survive with gear it is intended to. On test server we could get_any_ gear, run encounter, lrecord log, sumbmit it to Blizzard if there were problems an sometimes fixes were appearing in matter of a day. Or, next tuesday, with server maintenance. I don't see GGG doing that. They can't fix a boss bug that exist in ame since 2017 it was reported in which completely bricks it and usually ends with death of character,

Purpose of games is to obtain either adrenaline or dophamine buffs. Well, same as with gamble (note, that's reason why gambling or promoting gambling is thoroughly banned in NZ and that ban now is extended to Internet and even streaming) or with other non-PG activities. Now there is some required balance btween stress - which reduces dophamine level greatly - and graification which peaks it. Make that distance too high for the person -and these ranges can go anywhere: one guy can go for 6 month without any result, other would be out of steam after 20 minutes.

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EllAnteres#7194 wrote:

You can't reward by punishing. Especially while rewarding group play, which already was overly-rewarded in PoE (therefore why mageblood-printing guilds exist).

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Fully removing gratification from game makes the game not, well, a game.

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It punishes for any inherent inability or problem player can have, e.g. bad sight or network latency problem, especially with active fense skills). Note that some PoE regions may have permanent latency 300-400 ms for occupants of _that_ region, or random disconnects and lags exist. Disconnect always was treated same as death for knwn reason - exit-to-desktop "dodge".

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This alone feature would stop me or anyone I know from playing PoE2. I expirience dozens disconnects per day with no ISP faults - it's provider of game service doesn't maintain access well or some maintanace constantly happens in "big Internet"

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Lost point is leveling exp. With death penalty and 5way runs monopolized in most regions and non-exisiting in some of them levelling issues aready created unhealy ecomy around carry services. WHich in some places are RMT-only, or at least there are large communities specalizing on carry through whole game.

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Add this "reward" in the mix? I would have zero results at all. No point to try to play. Don't know anyone of my friends who play PoE1 and would play this- everyone of them full time 8/12-hour-per-day working people who actually _spent_ some money on game, we wouldn't waste time on that. We have enough stress in life to farm stress in game as well. And even if you think you're never get stressed - you're wrong. Actually that's first sign that you potentially can reach unhealthy high levels of stress.

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EllAnteres#7194 wrote:

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

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Timbo Zero#8289 wrote:

Its basically heist rules for mapping.

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Not quite. There are ways to return and pick stuff you dropped in heist. I hope you didn't mean we also must drop things on death.

Heist is that way because it's extremely easy with high value, close-to-guaranteed reward. Hardest heist run are on level of act 9 complexity or earlier maps, juiced grand-heist are akin to mid-tier maps.

No not what I meant and I merely meant the die and lose the instance not the loot :)

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Zoddo#3014 wrote:

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EllAnteres#7194 wrote:

I concur that that fits only very certain psyche. WHich isn't common, often called "achiever", sometimes jokingly claled 2%-percenter - some veery old and overly optimistic estimate on percentage of people to gain wealth and success.
That psyche isn't every gamer-like, people like that tend to move on to achieve something in real life rather doing that in game. Therefore my estimate of people I know personally that they would try this and then quit.

There are also some people thatget hormonal addiction on stress. One of form are workaholics but there are some gamers too, especially in PoE. But they usually are addicted to one particular aspect or form and such addiction isn't a good thing. ALl it matters how brain is wired and not much, save some artifical chemistry, can change that.

Learning from past mistakes also requires ability to repeat these mistakes and that requires a minimum time between attempts if fight involves mechanical reaction from player, not relying on character's gear or defenses. That's how muscle memorywork. ALso, there is limited _stack_ of these short-term memories for most humans.Just compare - many people fail Maven's memory game and that's not even a hardest test on short term memry. It's made harder by barey visible (in some circumstances) visual effects and some bugs, but people still fail.

Don't make mistake - in past I farmed _hard_ stuff. Like 40men raids in old WoW, or timed runs of Heroic raids later. But we were able to repeat try every 5-7 minutes, we had extensive logging tools (including mods to log what a _player_ had done incorrectly - and sometimes was it's a millisecond worth mistake because someone forgot something) and it took _dozens_ of times to perfect some of the stuff. Switch one person out of team and you have to go to training again. I know how stressful it is, how people were burning out, even a suicide happened in raid guild, which prompted Blizzard to investigate.

That's wat I would like to see in PoE2 f it goes WoW way - and it seems goes to become a weird mix of Dark Souls and WoW - presence of adjustable UI - maybe in FF way, not with mods - and analitic tools with some form of drilling. Put a cooldown on boss - if you had done it, you have to wait until cooldown runs out. That also solves some economy issues. Or how it is in WoW again, you can run it again, tohelp others,but you won't get boss loot drop.

We also did constant beta-testing of bosses on test server. Quite often a new tactic-based boss is either buggy or absolutely impossible to survive with gear it is intended to. On test server we could get_any_ gear, run encounter, lrecord log, sumbmit it to Blizzard if there were problems an sometimes fixes were appearing in matter of a day. Or, next tuesday, with server maintenance. I don't see GGG doing that. They can't fix a boss bug that exist in ame since 2017 it was reported in which completely bricks it and usually ends with death of character,

Purpose of games is to obtain either adrenaline or dophamine buffs. Well, same as with gamble (note, that's reason why gambling or promoting gambling is thoroughly banned in NZ and that ban now is extended to Internet and even streaming) or with other non-PG activities. Now there is some required balance btween stress - which reduces dophamine level greatly - and graification which peaks it. Make that distance too high for the person -and these ranges can go anywhere: one guy can go for 6 month without any result, other would be out of steam after 20 minutes.

I see where you’re coming from, but I’d argue that having "one try" maps in Path of Exile 2 could actually be a good thing. Yes, it’s not for everyone, but that’s kind of the point.