No AH still ? Entire Discord is Quitting because out of touch in 24'

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Seqqsy#2291 wrote:

YEAH ??? so how is that different than posting something on AH with a buyout price ???

Because it's not intended to work that way. AH = abuse fest, where the seller creates fake orders to increase the price on purpose and then sells the item to the very last person before AH closes in 0.1 second. This is complete bullshit to see that see introduced here. I hope someday the entire trade will be bombarded from the orbit with multiple nuclear strikes. Atm it's pretty cancerous making the game a second job on SSF and on the other hand it's a joke if you're playing trade league. You basically want to make the game even easier by adding very abusable system.

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SerialF#4835 wrote:

noone is degrading anyone.

i understand you may not have meant harm, but remarks like that can come across as stereotyping and dismissive of people based on their language skills or nationality.

11th Hour Games has a better trading and crafting system than GGG, to bad Last Epochs End game sucks because those guys have some good ideas.

"Entire Discord is Quitting"

...so no bad news then.

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cursorTarget#1174 wrote:

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Seqqsy#2291 wrote:

YEAH ??? so how is that different than posting something on AH with a buyout price ???

Because it's not intended to work that way. AH = abuse fest, where the seller creates fake orders to increase the price on purpose and then sells the item to the very last person before AH closes in 0.1 second. This is complete bullshit to see that see introduced here. I hope someday the entire trade will be bombarded from the orbit with multiple nuclear strikes. Atm it's pretty cancerous making the game a second job on SSF and on the other hand it's a joke if you're playing trade league. You basically want to make the game even easier by adding very abusable system.

I noticed that we need to STOP using the term AH... as it is mixing true action houses and sell order system. What we need is a SELL ORDER system like eve online. So you list a price.. the first person to fulfill and click it.. GET It. No way for people to deny a sale after they have put something for sale at a given price.

AH is a term that people are using for multiple different form of sales and no discussion will ever get anywhere until people star to be very accurate about what they meant.

I have always thought this game needs an instant ah, that the artificial and unnecessary friction of going to a hideout, waiting for them to find their item in 50 stash tabs, check that they didn't lowball the offer, then say " 3x more than listing price" is just plain stupid.

Poe trade is just badly done, I would never do it if droprates were more reasonable.

The only time I am happy is when I trade with literal bots.

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roundishcap#0649 wrote:

I have always thought this game needs an instant ah, that the artificial and unnecessary friction of going to a hideout, waiting for them to find their item in 50 stash tabs, check that they didn't lowball the offer, then say " 3x more than listing price" is just plain stupid.

Poe trade is just badly done, I would never do it if droprates were more reasonable.

The only time I am happy is when I trade with literal bots.

You play trade, u play easy mode, enjoy the 100% needed friction.

The market is already terrible and full of bots and inconsistent prices. Partially due to GGG's lack of willingness to wipe.

Why would I want more of that?

No thanks.

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H3rB1985#0551 wrote:

The issue is that SSF doesn't boost drop rates, they should straight up copy the LE system for trade/SSF.

Depends, if they boost all drop rates it would become pretty boring especially with how much shit already gets thrown at your head these days.
But if they carefully adjust the drop rates of certain boss items, that would be somewhat reasonable. Mostly cause those drop rates are balanced around trading being a thing and getting your hands on a very low specific boss drop in ssf really sucks hard.
Getting pretty generic good gear on the other hand isn't much a problem with how much loot we get.

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I played almost exclusively SSF in PoE, but I can understand when people don't want to put up with it, it is the only ARPG where you get punished or punish yourself for playing on your own.
If you dislike Sanctum and Heist you barely get any divines and then can't progress your gear.

Not really but the div/h metric became such a huge deal for people that they lost any focus on the more important part. They just want to buy their shit as easy and fast as possible, but at the same time you do see those type of players complain about needing a new league not even 2 weeks into a fresh league. So go figure what's the real problem is.

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Guarantee you that 98% of the player base would be unable to collect all 4 voidstones on their own in SSF.

I'm pretty sure they could but most got used to the very easy pay x to get y over the past years, so they don't bother to learn very basic game mechanics.

The requirements for 4 voidstones ain't really crazy anymore these days with all the additional player power that we got over time.
Some random ground loot shoelace gear and a somewhat decent functioning build concept is something everyone can get in little to no playtime.
Kinda nothing but a player and skill issue if someone is unable to achieve something like the 4 voidstones with the game throwing more than enough stuff at them.

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It is a terrible concept for an ARPG when the majority of gear relies on trades/ RNG crafts and not drops.

You can pretty much deterministically craft all of your gear without big grinds and work from there. Big pain parts are only the very low % chance items, which can be replaced by other things if you can't be bothered enough to idk kill 200 uber maven ssf.

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In PoE2 it is even worse, thousands of rares not for your class even. If you play SSF there, you either hate your life or have no job.

SSF is a lot friendlier in PoE2 with the game throwing so much crafting currency at your head, with the gamble npc handing out somewhat decent progress gear for kinda free and rare unique items being not necessarily mandatory but more of a nice to have stat stick.

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

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cursorTarget#1174 wrote:

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Seqqsy#2291 wrote:

YEAH ??? so how is that different than posting something on AH with a buyout price ???

Because it's not intended to work that way. AH = abuse fest, where the seller creates fake orders to increase the price on purpose and then sells the item to the very last person before AH closes in 0.1 second. This is complete bullshit to see that see introduced here. I hope someday the entire trade will be bombarded from the orbit with multiple nuclear strikes. Atm it's pretty cancerous making the game a second job on SSF and on the other hand it's a joke if you're playing trade league. You basically want to make the game even easier by adding very abusable system.

I noticed that we need to STOP using the term AH... as it is mixing true action houses and sell order system. What we need is a SELL ORDER system like eve online. So you list a price.. the first person to fulfill and click it.. GET It. No way for people to deny a sale after they have put something for sale at a given price.

AH is a term that people are using for multiple different form of sales and no discussion will ever get anywhere until people star to be very accurate about what they meant.

1.No. 2.No. 3.No we don't.