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Why cant we get a proper self found with higher drop rates?

Finding specific Unique items becomes harder in SSF the more Uniques the game has, thats just unavoidable because the item pool itself becomes larger so its harder to get exactly what you want. Finding the needle in a haystack eventually grows into finding the needle in a hay field. Don't play SSF if you want to play a certain Unique specific build. You can find build-defining Uniques but they're not going to be exactly the Uniques you're thinking of.

SSF viability comes in waves according to how much currency does a new League mechanic drop. Some Leagues are more SSF friendly than others.
Last edited by MEITTI#3999 on Jan 25, 2025, 9:27:42 AM
I oppose to that change being applied to SSF, but I would agree in adding a "More Loot League", kinda "Easy mode" or Terraria's "Adventure Mode" for those who do not like grinding and want to see all content.

Better them playing than watching a streamer/youtuber playing.

Now, even thou I said I'd agree, I also consider the costs of implementing those features and maintaining them. So for it to actually work, this modifier could be part of the Private League.
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Diablo 3. Because you simply lied.

In Diablo 3 you can't trade, you can simply give items to each other that dropped in the game you were playing together already anyway. So it's nothing else than a different form of free for all loot on the ground.

And you want to know why that is? Because the players correctly identified that the drop rates in the game all revolved around the availability of items in the auction house.

And even the devs themselves realized that, which is why the whole idea was completely abandoned.

SO congratulations, you dismantled your own argument with this disingenuous reply. Thanks for that.


So in Diablo 3 I cannot get 3 of my friends to run the same class and TRADE me the gear that drops to improve my character faster than if I was to do it myself?

This is still a form of TRADE, sure I am not getting any currency for it but it allows me to improve my character faster than if I purely played solo. It was a pretty common practice amongst my group of friends.

And Diablo 3 is probably the worst and least liked ARPG in the entire genre. It is not ARPG that someone should aspire to create.
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If only hyperbole can make it look like your "argument" has a leg to stand on, maybe rethink your argument.

I feel like we're living in the upside down when players are now seriously arguing against finding your own loot by playing the game. If only you guys could hear how [Removed by Support] y'all sound.

I get it, [Removed by Support] are scared of change. You've invested years of your life probably to master playing POE, and now some heathen proposes a change to the formula. That scares you, like so many other things in the world.

But maybe, just maybe, google "empathy", and reflect a little on that word. Because when people are suggesting the implementation of a feature in a way that wouldn't even affect the mode you will prefer to play in, it doesn't cost you anything to be a decent human being [Removed by Support], and cross your fingers for them.


He is 100% correct though. Buffing SSF drop rate would just completly remove the trade league. It removes a large portion of players from trade league, gutting the amount of people feeding the economy, effectively killing off that game mode.
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Finally you're showing your hands on what this is really about.

You're simply scared sh*tless than another way to play the game would prove to be more popular to the thing you're used to.

Yeah, classic conservative thinking based on nothing but fear.


More popular? Lol people will be driven to the EASIEST METHOD. It has nothing to do with "Popularity"

**EDIT** Oh and you would be surprised about what is "More popular" I think you would find that a large portion of the players would actually stop playing. Last Epoch is a great example of this. It is doing well huh?
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gX_kiD#0166 wrote:
If only hyperbole can make it look like your "argument" has a leg to stand on, maybe rethink your argument.


Good thing the hyperbole is a stylistic choice then and not the essence of the argument.

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gX_kiD#0166 wrote:
I feel like we're living in the upside down when players are now seriously arguing against finding your own loot by playing the game. If only you guys could hear how [Removed by Support] y'all sound.


Why should it matter where/how I found my items? The whole thing with SSF Bros is always "items you trade for aren't real!" or "people who trade are CHEATING and getting stronger way faster than they should!" It's always the same story - progress made via trading or builds crafted via trading are somehow illegitimate and ONLY characters made completely SSF are 'real'.

How is an item any different if I found currency I gave to someone else to get an item that patches specific holes in my build - or lets me make the build in the first place - compared to farming for seven hundred hours merely to be granted the chance to make the thing I wanted to make seven hundred hours ago but was told "NO YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT UNTIL RNGSUS ALLOWS YOU TO PLAY THE THING YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO PLAY!"?

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gX_kiD#0166 wrote:
I get it, [Removed by Support] are scared of change. You've invested years of your life probably to master playing POE, and now some heathen proposes a change to the formula. That scares you, like so many other things in the world.


Hardly. I'm one of the strongest champions of shaking things up in PoE2. I wanted things to be radically more divergent from PoE1 than they are now. Jonathan talked a good game about the evolution of the ARPG genre, but I ain't seeing half of what he said in PoE1.5 here - and even then, people are ludicrously assmad over what few changes he did make.

I just think changing it such that trade players are forced to actively feel bad about trading and SSF-Broism is held up and championed as The Only True and Legitimate Way to Play PoE is a really terrible change.

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gX_kiD#0166 wrote:
But maybe, just maybe, google "empathy", and reflect a little on that word. Because when people are suggesting the implementation of a feature in a way that wouldn't even affect the mode you will prefer to play in, it doesn't cost you anything to be a decent human being [Removed by Support], and cross your fingers for them.


How does it not affect the game to have SSF Bros over in their private gold-plated playground saying "you could be finding forty exalts a map with zero rarity and zero juice, finding a Mirror every other week even, over here in Dropamine League...you'd just have to give up playing cool builds foreeeeever~"? How do you not see the existence of a Loot Bonanza mode where drops are boosted to a degree that would make the most egregious of Borderlands loot rush exploits blush as warping the game itself?

People keep howling about Last Epoch and how it "gives you the choice!" All right. Does literally anyone[ play Merchant's Guild in Last Epoch? Anyone? Anyone at all? Yeah, I didn't think so. Next, please.
I play SSF only and I don't like the idea of having different drop rates between SSF and standard mode. Not to mention, it would be a real headache for the devs to keep track of balance changes across these modes.

I think drop rates are not bad right now. I regularly find uniques. I have quite a few of the leveling uniques like Foxshade and Blackheart Iron Ring, and Kitoko gloves. Even found the infamous Pillar staff lately, twice.

The joy of SSF is to do with what you find. I think at some point if you make it easier to get most items, it removes the value of SSF. The point is that it IS a challenge. It IS a tradeoff.

It is the joy of NOT knowing for sure what you're going to play. Maybe you want to do build X and it turns out crappy because you can't find a good weapon, but along the way you found a unique or some other good gear for another build. So the joy of playing SSF is finding incentives to try different things.

And if you don't like surprises there's always some basic builds like totems and sparks that are cheap and do really well at maps.

I'm running two warriors currently both close to 90, and I love that there is plenty of room to upgrade and that if I wanted to do some popular build XYZ that some streamer showed off, and requires ABC uniques, I don't get to do that instantly on a whim - but something to look forward when I do find the ABC items.

Trade league takes all of that away. And increasing the drop rates and making it easier to get the gear you want also takes that away to some extent.
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Imagine being so spectacularly entangled in your own bs beliefs that you type with a straight face that trading in a game like POE2 is harder than playing it.

Hilarious.



Right? Hilarious....
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1453R#7804 wrote:
gX_kiD#0166 wrote:
If only hyperbole can make it look like your "argument" has a leg to stand on, maybe rethink your argument.


Good thing the hyperbole is a stylistic choice then and not the essence of the argument.

gX_kiD#0166 wrote:
I feel like we're living in the upside down when players are now seriously arguing against finding your own loot by playing the game. If only you guys could hear how [Removed by Support] y'all sound.


Why should it matter where/how I found my items? The whole thing with SSF Bros is always "items you trade for aren't real!" or "people who trade are CHEATING and getting stronger way faster than they should!" It's always the same story - progress made via trading or builds crafted via trading are somehow illegitimate and ONLY characters made completely SSF are 'real'.

How is an item any different if I found currency I gave to someone else to get an item that patches specific holes in my build - or lets me make the build in the first place - compared to farming for seven hundred hours merely to be granted the chance to make the thing I wanted to make seven hundred hours ago but was told "NO YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT UNTIL RNGSUS ALLOWS YOU TO PLAY THE THING YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO PLAY!"?

gX_kiD#0166 wrote:
I get it, [Removed by Support] are scared of change. You've invested years of your life probably to master playing POE, and now some heathen proposes a change to the formula. That scares you, like so many other things in the world.


Hardly. I'm one of the strongest champions of shaking things up in PoE2. I wanted things to be radically more divergent from PoE1 than they are now. Jonathan talked a good game about the evolution of the ARPG genre, but I ain't seeing half of what he said in PoE1.5 here - and even then, people are ludicrously assmad over what few changes he did make.

I just think changing it such that trade players are forced to actively feel bad about trading and SSF-Broism is held up and championed as The Only True and Legitimate Way to Play PoE is a really terrible change.

gX_kiD#0166 wrote:
But maybe, just maybe, google "empathy", and reflect a little on that word. Because when people are suggesting the implementation of a feature in a way that wouldn't even affect the mode you will prefer to play in, it doesn't cost you anything to be a decent human being [Removed by Support], and cross your fingers for them.


How does it not affect the game to have SSF Bros over in their private gold-plated playground saying "you could be finding forty exalts a map with zero rarity and zero juice, finding a Mirror every other week even, over here in Dropamine League...you'd just have to give up playing cool builds foreeeeever~"? How do you not see the existence of a Loot Bonanza mode where drops are boosted to a degree that would make the most egregious of Borderlands loot rush exploits blush as warping the game itself?

People keep howling about Last Epoch and how it "gives you the choice!" All right. Does literally anyone[ play Merchant's Guild in Last Epoch? Anyone? Anyone at all? Yeah, I didn't think so. Next, please.


I won't engage with your hyperbole anymore, save yourself the energy.


In other words, they are right because Last Epoch is basically living proof that what you are asking for DOES NOT WORK. It is one or the other.
"Last Epoch solved this"

And who the fuck plays that game.

Wake up

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