Max Life scaling is fucked.

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

Meanwhile, people have over 13k Life.

Yes, if you build your char that way.


Somehow I think ppl have problems understanding that your build does what you build it for.

My Blood mage has 2001hp and 6500es.

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At least remove life prefixes from gloves, helmets, boots and body armours and increase life gained when players level up instead.

Edited clarification.

What?

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LVSviral#3689 wrote:

Every armour and evasion character needs flat life on all of their gear pieces. It's damn lame for gearing and is a wrench in the cogs of scaling and progression design.

ar/ev here; the only flat life I have on my gear is coincidental and totals less than +200. I'm doing fine. I die maybe once a week on average, probably less. This sounds like one of those things a streamer said one time and everyone just decided was true forever.

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

Meanwhile, people have over 13k Life.

Only two players over 13k Life

Their Effective Hit Pool is 15k and 18k respectively

That's jack shit.

Image for proof:

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The one in the highest ES spot is a Level 93 Lich, TYTYBIK is the character name.

They have 29,892 Energy Shield, 1,602 Life.

THEIR Effective Hit Pool is 94k

Image for proof:

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This means in terms of effectiveness, ES stacking at the highest point is 6.27 (94 / 15) or 5.22 (94 / 18) TIMES as strong as Life stacking at its highest point.

This post is a completely ridiculous claim

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MathiasSoul#7397 wrote:

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Evergrey#7535 wrote:

Meanwhile, people have over 13k Life.

Only two players over 13k Life

Their Effective Hit Pool is 15k and 18k respectively

That's jack shit.

Image for proof:

________

The one in the highest ES spot is a Level 93 Lich, TYTYBIK is the character name.

They have 29,892 Energy Shield, 1,602 Life.

THEIR Effective Hit Pool is 94k

Image for proof:

________

This means in terms of effectiveness, ES stacking at the highest point is 6.27 (94 / 15) or 5.22 (94 / 18) TIMES as strong as Life stacking at its highest point.

This post is a completely ridiculous claim

Dont forget people with this life are wearing kaoms and veil.


So they have no spirit or res lolol

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Mashgesture#2912 wrote:

Dont forget people with this life are wearing kaoms and veil.


So they have no spirit or res lolol

Aye, this is precisely why their EHP is so low

No armour, no evasion, no elemental resistance, no spirit

You get Chaos Resistance, that's all you get

Image for proof again, to show everyone Mash and I aren't just full of it:

https://imgur.com/a/qUHOQRY


You should sort by "lowest max hit" not by EHP, because a character with 2k life and 90% evasion will still have very high EHP even though he dies very easily to degen or hits

Lowest max hit means basically whatever your lowest resistance is, which in normal case is always physical.
Full armour stacker life builds dont even have half the physical hit HP of a ES lich

if you sort by lowest max hit you will see that every ladder is dominated by ES, 0 life builds in the top 100

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raV#3445 wrote:

https://imgur.com/a/qUHOQRY


You should sort by "lowest max hit" not by EHP, because a character with 2k life and 90% evasion will still have very high EHP even though he dies very easily to degen or hits

Lowest max hit means basically whatever your lowest resistance is, which in normal case is always physical.
Full armour stacker life builds dont even have half the physical hit HP of a ES lich

if you sort by lowest max hit you will see that every ladder is dominated by ES, 0 life builds in the top 100

Just fixing your image for you here, if you click the three dots at the top right of your image and click "Get Share Links", you can copy the Forum specific one:



Hilariously, the same Lich as in my post is still there in the top

We really need to normalize discussing class balance relative to the content we actually have to do in the game. All I ever see people talk about is player-to-player comparison but, like, we don't have to fight each other...

I think we all know that players stacking high ES have higher EHP but what GGG does with that information depends entirely on which of those two defensive strategies is actually providing the intended experience - the right level of challenge and a reasonable pace of progress.

I'm running a pretty basic ev/ar build right now with 25k EHP which I think I've just learned is "jack shit" and yet I'm having an absolute blast. I'm 38/40 pinnacle passives and have cleared up to wave 13 in T3 Simulacrum for the last 2 points... not only did I have more fun getting to where I am right now in 0.3, but I'm super excited to get those last 2 points.

Meanwhile if I was walking around with like 80k+ EHP right now I feel like I would be so fucking bored. Like what is even the game at that point? Just click on monsters 'till orbs come out and repeat until I get sleepy? Then I guess I come on here and talk about how there's "not enough to do in the endgame?"