reintroduce races and race rewards

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DaisySunshine#7767 wrote:

They will not make new items though just for races. Which is why i think reintroducing some cool looking pixels would be fun.

I also think the only people you'll find completely against this idea are ones that are invested in the alt-art market. Which i think is silly.

Thanks, but I'm not selling alt arts. I am, however, deeply invested in GGG keeping to their word that all such prizes would be forever exclusive to the race seasons in which they were awarded. You are asking GGG to go back on their commitment (much the same as their commitment never to re-release exclusive seasonal or one-time MTXs). I have no issue with them creating new alt art rewards for racing (exclusive or otherwise). However, as I have pointed out, it is an impractical waste of effort and resources to create exclusive alt art items if only a handful will ever win them. And that was why GGG stopped awarding them. ='[.]'=

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DaisySunshine#7767 wrote:

They will not make new items though just for races. Which is why i think reintroducing some cool looking pixels would be fun.

I also think the only people you'll find completely against this idea are ones that are invested in the alt-art market. Which i think is silly.

Anybody that has invested time and effort into acquiring one of these items will always defend their investment. That's true anywhere.

Imagine if all the high-dollar collectors of rare Magic the Gathering cards were to intentionally devalue their entire stock because they wanted the rest of the world to have some cards and ink that look like the ones they have.

That's a one-to-one analogy of your position. Gear pieces versus cards, pixels versus ink. To anyone that doesn't partake in collecting these and just like the art, it may seem silly to maintain the implied value of a card. Why not just reprint all the cool cards that the collectors have in their possession? Certainly, it would spark some intrigue and bring in new people.

I never participated in these races, I got to the game too late. I love the items, so I farm to acquire them. You can do the same. There are some AA items that aren't exactly coveted, but still hold value because of their scarcity. They're a bit more affordable, something like half a mirror (~780 Divine Orbs on Standard at the time of this post).

You're right though, they won't make new items just for a race. They won't set up a race either. I wouldn't count on anything like that until after POE2 1.0 drops and we're getting actual leagues again.

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DaisySunshine#7767 wrote:

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I don't think we exist on the same plane of existence if you're out here asserting that the Gauntlet isn't fun for the playerbase. Are we talking about the same event? The one that sees a huge amount of hype and spike in player count? Where even diehard softcore players give hardcore a shot just to challenge themselves?

No one is saying we should not have race rewards, or more race events in general. Heck, I'm dying for some action right now actually. You joined the game like 4 years ago so you don't quite understand the history of the old alt art uniques. But even if you dont somehow understand aybe just take it from all the veteran players here who agree in unison.

Also, I don't quite understand why you flat out rule out the possibility that GGG designs new alt art uniques for new races. Why's that? Did you assume that it's too much effort for GGG? How do you come to know that?

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

You're right though, they won't make new items just for a race. They won't set up a race either. I wouldn't count on anything like that until after POE2 1.0 drops and we're getting actual leagues again.

The numerous boss kill events they have hosted don't count, you think? Why, they just had one this league lol.

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

The numerous boss kill events they have hosted don't count, you think? Why, they just had one this league lol.

I was under the impression that most of the Gauntlet event was handled by Zizaran.

My overall point is that these are extra things that are very low on the priority totem pole and we will likely not see any of these desires manifested, particularly AA and race events, until after POE2 1.0 releases.

Could they make some AA for the Gauntlet? Sure, they could. They won't though, they're too busy.

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

The numerous boss kill events they have hosted don't count, you think? Why, they just had one this league lol.

I was under the impression that most of the Gauntlet event was handled by Zizaran.

My overall point is that these are extra things that are very low on the priority totem pole and we will likely not see any of these desires manifested, particularly AA and race events, until after POE2 1.0 releases.

Could they make some AA for the Gauntlet? Sure, they could. They won't though, they're too busy.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3876288/page/1

Well, consider me educated on event hosting.

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ArtCrusade#4438 wrote:

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DaisySunshine#7767 wrote:

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I don't think we exist on the same plane of existence if you're out here asserting that the Gauntlet isn't fun for the playerbase. Are we talking about the same event? The one that sees a huge amount of hype and spike in player count? Where even diehard softcore players give hardcore a shot just to challenge themselves?

No one is saying we should not have race rewards, or more race events in general. Heck, I'm dying for some action right now actually. You joined the game like 4 years ago so you don't quite understand the history of the old alt art uniques. But even if you dont somehow understand aybe just take it from all the veteran players here who agree in unison.

Also, I don't quite understand why you flat out rule out the possibility that GGG designs new alt art uniques for new races. Why's that? Did you assume that it's too much effort for GGG? How do you come to know that?

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Beavith#5056 wrote:

You're right though, they won't make new items just for a race. They won't set up a race either. I wouldn't count on anything like that until after POE2 1.0 drops and we're getting actual leagues again.

The numerous boss kill events they have hosted don't count, you think? Why, they just had one this league lol.

The gauntlet is so short, same winner every single time, a prize that's untradeable for anyone in game, it's not fun imo.

I understand they are pixels that could be reprinted and rewarded to players to earn them again via the same methods, seems fair and cool to me.

"Also, I don't quite understand why you flat out rule out the possibility that GGG designs new alt art uniques for new races. Why's that? Did you assume that it's too much effort for GGG? How do you come to know that?"

I'd love for them to do this! But with the lackluster rewards for Kirac's vault + MTX rewards (besides kalandra) since ive played leads me to believe that yeah, they wouldnt want to spend any resources on new race alts. Of course id love to be surprised though how cool !

Also just taking everything as fact from a veteran player isn't informative or helpful.

More races more rewards then! lets gooo

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

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DaisySunshine#7767 wrote:

They will not make new items though just for races. Which is why i think reintroducing some cool looking pixels would be fun.

I also think the only people you'll find completely against this idea are ones that are invested in the alt-art market. Which i think is silly.

Thanks, but I'm not selling alt arts. I am, however, deeply invested in GGG keeping to their word that all such prizes would be forever exclusive to the race seasons in which they were awarded. You are asking GGG to go back on their commitment (much the same as their commitment never to re-release exclusive seasonal or one-time MTXs). I have no issue with them creating new alt art rewards for racing (exclusive or otherwise). However, as I have pointed out, it is an impractical waste of effort and resources to create exclusive alt art items if only a handful will ever win them. And that was why GGG stopped awarding them. ='[.]'=

Also I'm not exactly unfamiliar with GGG going against their word. They originally claimed PoE 2 would be an alternate campaign and a graphical update to PoE 1 - during this announcement they also released their yearly supporter packs and were perfectly fine with taking $480 from me and others going off the assumption that their original game was going to be improved upon. I do think PoE 2 will be amazing one day.

It'd also be really cool to get exclusive chinese mtx! they have some really neat MTX, some are even related to fishing!

Races seemed cool, if they could do new alternate arts id be cool with that too! It's just a bummer not being able to participate in any of these :)

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DaisySunshine#7767 wrote:

You're making a massive assumption here, just like your strange piano rant. Who said anything about div card design? Are you reading the thread or just posting lol!

Im just saying itd be cool to reintroduce races and race prizes.

what massive assumption? I'm quoting YOU. This is your argument, not mine.

You personally find no value in the alt art and are the one making a massive assumption that they "hold no value" for anyone. This is the impetus for everything you have posted beyond the OP.

I am refuting all of that.

Nothing strange about the piano metaphor, or the prize comment. You seem to be under the impression that an alt art reward is fundamentally different prize than the other prizes that were awarded for competitions......which they are NOT. They all fall under the SAME category of "exclusive rewards for winning / placing in that particular competition".

You are also trying to argue two different things at the same time: 1) not having competitions and 2) the prizes for the competitions. I am ONLY commenting on the prize aspect, and my entire post is about that.

Whether or not we have another race means nothing to me. The one comment I DID make about that is.....if you want to RACE, as this quoted post suggests, then the prize doesn't really matter. You simply want them to host more competitions. Fine.

*I find it rather....odd...that you comment on the "length" of the Gauntlet being so short, and yet what you are trying to get reinstated are RACES which are.....way shorter.

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Raycheetah#7060 wrote:

Ooh, somebody else I will continue to ignore! You argue simply for the sake of argument. Bye! =^[.]^=

lol ray......you "ignore" me because I shared my differing opinion? You are the only one allowed to share your opinion? How petty of an Alpha player. But guess what? You always had the ability to ignore my post...you can ignore any post you want. Nothing I say will ever change that.

I argue because you said something that was worth arguing....even keeping fully on track with the reason for this thread's existence.

It's also quite funny you wrote that when....you directly contradict your own point not 3 posts later.
"I am, however, deeply invested in GGG keeping to their word that all such prizes would be forever exclusive to the race seasons in which they were awarded"

Well there you go. That is reason enough for GGG to have created the alt art rewards. Exclusive rewards to the race seasons in which they were awarded. THAT is why I argued against the post I quoted. Apparently...even you feel the same way. The point is not that "only a few people" get to show them off.....its that the ALLURE of winning them attracts thousands or even tens of thousands of players. That's why events exist, and gives all the value to whatever reward is created for said event.

And furthermore....what wasted "effort" do you think goes into creating alt art models? I'm sure they have potentially hundreds of unused models ready to go for future new uniques that they can just repurpose at next to no cost. They would be incredibly stupid not to. And I bet their art team can create a few alt art unique designs in less than an hour of work time.