Player based will leave and this game will die out if they don't remove the XP Penalty

At the very least, just penalize the XP you earned when you went into a map? Taking away the XP from my last 5 completed runs is BS. Not to mention, it's a 4x penalty in many cases. Lose the juice on the map from your Precursor. Lose the juice from your waystone. Lose any loot that was on the ground. Lose your XP.

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

Maybe time is not valuable to you, but time is extremely valuable to others. When people say they don't feel like their time is respected, it's not just an empty phrase.

It IS an empty phrase. You're playing the game, it's a recreational activity not actually pulling a stone to the top of some mountain. As with any recreational activity, your time is either wasted or not depending on how you view gaming in general.

And if you think you're time is being "stolen" or "wasted" by xp loss it means you don't really enjoy the core gameplay in the first place - because how on earth time you ENJOYED can be called "wasted" - in which case, why do you even bother?

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BradSimm72#5796 wrote:

At the very least, just penalize the XP you earned when you went into a map?

I can get on board with this.

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

XP penalty is ABSOLUTELY a part of what makes Path o Exile what it is. It's a part which says "you need to actually know what you're doing to be successful in this game" and "you WILL experience setbacks in our game" and "highest levels are reserved for best of the best".

I'm pretty sure I never referred solely to the exp penalty, I am referring to death penalty generally, specifically the lost of waystone et al. I never said I am against ALL death penalties. I am arguing that the current state of it is too punishing and is anti-fun and disrespectful to players' time and effort. I sincerely doubt there is anyone actually out there advocating for NO penalty of any kind beyond the tiniest minority.

The death penalty should feel fair and sensible. For softcore, it currently does not.

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

It IS an empty phrase. You're playing the game, it's a recreational activity not actually pulling a stone to the top of some mountain. As with any recreational activity, your time is either wasted or not depending on how you view gaming in general.

And if you think you're time is being "stolen" or "wasted" by xp loss it means you don't really enjoy the core gameplay in the first place - because how on earth time you ENJOYED can be called "wasted" - in which case, why do you even bother?

It was really convenient for you to cut out my quote about negative progress after spending valuable time, wasn't it?

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

Maybe time is not valuable to you, but time is extremely valuable to others. When people say they don't feel like their time is respected, it's not just an empty phrase.

It IS an empty phrase. You're playing the game, it's a recreational activity not actually pulling a stone to the top of some mountain. As with any recreational activity, your time is either wasted or not depending on how you view gaming in general.

And if you think you're time is being "stolen" or "wasted" by xp loss it means you don't really enjoy the core gameplay in the first place - because how on earth time you ENJOYED can be called "wasted" - in which case, why do you even bother?

People want their time to be respected. Entertainment time is no different. If I am not having fun, I may feel like my time was "wasted." Pretty simple concept. Shitty movie? Terrible comedian? Bad service and worse food? Unfair death penalties? All can be forms of "wasted" time. Forgive me for being blunt, but I am starting to think you can't see beyond your own nose here and are failing to actually consider other peoples' experiences and perspectives, as if yours and yours alone is the only one that's valid.

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

So yes, you are trying to twist my word to feed your troll narrative.

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shiraha19#6298 wrote:

You didn't even play the previous league and how would it ruin it for you if you barely play the game? I would understand others I've replied with but you?

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

LOL BRO. Yeah, I admit, I didn't play the previous league of PoE2. That's true. And you know what else is true ? You didn't either.

PoE 2 never had a previous league so obviously I was referring to PoE 1.

Did I say PoE2? Who's twisting words here?

That's all you can do? Since you've failed to provide samples of what you're saying then you just troll the next replies? That's just pathetic.

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

You want PoE2 to be PoE1, that's the issue right there. Have you noticed ; it's not the same game. Go back to the 1 if you like it so much, it's still there. Why do you force yourself to be there if you can't enjoy a game for what it is ?

When did I say this? The issue right here is you can't provide samples to your argument and then you twist the story playing the victim. Don't change the topic.

At least add a quotation that I said this then it would be more believable.

the title of this post is not accurate

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

It IS an empty phrase. You're playing the game, it's a recreational activity not actually pulling a stone to the top of some mountain. As with any recreational activity, your time is either wasted or not depending on how you view gaming in general.

And if you think you're time is being "stolen" or "wasted" by xp loss it means you don't really enjoy the core gameplay in the first place - because how on earth time you ENJOYED can be called "wasted" - in which case, why do you even bother?

It was really convenient for you to cut out my quote about negative progress after spending valuable time, wasn't it?

You spent valuable time on something you enjoyed. That "negative progress" thing is a common feature in a lot of games since monopoly, there's absolutely nothing wrong about it.

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CPTBRUMBL3Z#3146 wrote:

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

Maybe time is not valuable to you, but time is extremely valuable to others. When people say they don't feel like their time is respected, it's not just an empty phrase.

It IS an empty phrase. You're playing the game, it's a recreational activity not actually pulling a stone to the top of some mountain. As with any recreational activity, your time is either wasted or not depending on how you view gaming in general.

And if you think you're time is being "stolen" or "wasted" by xp loss it means you don't really enjoy the core gameplay in the first place - because how on earth time you ENJOYED can be called "wasted" - in which case, why do you even bother?

People want their time to be respected. Entertainment time is no different. If I am not having fun, I may feel like my time was "wasted." Pretty simple concept. Shitty movie? Terrible comedian? Bad service and worse food? Unfair death penalties? All can be forms of "wasted" time. Forgive me for being blunt, but I am starting to think you can't see beyond your own nose here and are failing to actually consider other peoples' experiences and perspectives, as if yours and yours alone is the only one that's valid.

Well yeah that's the entire point, if you don't enjoy something you're wasting your time. But death penalty has no special place here.

I can consider other people's experiences and perspectives. You don't like something and want it removed, cool, but don't pretend EVERYONE wants it removed. There also not a whole lot of ARPGs with penalties like that, you want to literally screw people who prefer it this way by ruining basically the only game that's built in a way they like. You also don't consider the perspective of hardcore players, who WILL eventually be screwed by XP penalty removal because the game is being balanced around standard.