Player based will leave and this game will die out if they don't remove the XP Penalty

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

You spent valuable time on something you enjoyed. That "negative progress" thing is a common feature in a lot of games since monopoly, there's absolutely nothing wrong about it.

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Philvil#9636 wrote:

While I think people have their rights to post their feedback and I'm not here to say I'm against it or in favor of it, titles like that are kinda sad.

First, they feel like a threat, and we all know threatening is not the right way to get something. Second, they feel like a statement with 100% of certainty that will happen.

At this point I think we need some kind of pool to see how the players are divided in these matters, like if its 60/40, 50/50, because of all these topics being brought to this forum like mf, xp loss on death, 1 portal per map, etc, there are people complaining but there are also people in favor of it, and it doesn't seem like the number is small in both sides.

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Tessderosa#0452 wrote:

I think what you really need is better defenses. Right now the only defensive stat that actually works is Energy Shield. If you are not running an Energy Shield build you will die far more often and that will give you more XP loss.

The current amount of XP lost per death is reasonable, and differs based on how far along in the level you are. That system is solid and has been around for many other games besides this one. What is not solid is the defensive stats in the Early Access version of this game....keep in mind it is Early Access, so early in fact that we only have half of the skills/classes/items to choose from.

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

Well yeah that's the entire point, if you don't enjoy something you're wasting your time. But death penalty has no special place here.

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I can consider other people's experiences and perspectives. You don't like something and want it removed, cool, but don't pretend EVERYONE wants it removed. There also not a whole lot of ARPGs with penalties like that, you want to literally screw people who prefer it this way by ruining basically the only game that's built in a way they like.

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You also don't consider the perspective of hardcore players, who WILL eventually be screwed by XP penalty removal because the game is being balanced around standard.

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Poe2WarriorMan#6401 wrote:

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Philvil#9636 wrote:

While I think people have their rights to post their feedback and I'm not here to say I'm against it or in favor of it, titles like that are kinda sad.

First, they feel like a threat, and we all know threatening is not the right way to get something. Second, they feel like a statement with 100% of certainty that will happen.

At this point I think we need some kind of pool to see how the players are divided in these matters, like if its 60/40, 50/50, because of all these topics being brought to this forum like mf, xp loss on death, 1 portal per map, etc, there are people complaining but there are also people in favor of it, and it doesn't seem like the number is small in both sides.

Not going to get anything accurate with pooling anything from the forums unfortunately.


People use the feedback forums to vent their frustrations rather than really leave feedback
Much like this post, the whiney ones get more attention while anything actually critical or helpful is sent to the bottom of the list

People that enjoy the game usually don’t leave feedback for this reason.

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

You spent valuable time on something you enjoyed. That "negative progress" thing is a common feature in a lot of games since monopoly, there's absolutely nothing wrong about it.

I enjoyed parts of the game. Other parts such as XP penalty that kicks in way late in the game - ruin the entire experience for me. If not for XP penalties, I would have wanted to work on other characters and ascendencies. I and many others aren't playing the game at all nor working on new playthroughs because we now know what's waiting for us on the other side.

If the devs agree that there's nothing wrong with that, ok that's fine. God bless and good luck to them & the gatekeepers they'd be catering to.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

You know, THAT'S the kind of ppl nobody likes around. You not only voice something you would like to be changed - you demand it in exchange for your "niceness" and/or reason to play the game.

Imagine you develop your own game. Your "vision", your mechanics, your play style, your difficulty, the time investment required, your challenges and so on, but THEN ppl want it to change because they don't like it - while you do.

Not all, not half, not most - only a few.
All the years you came up with your "vision" and stayed true to it, all the work you put in to make it the way you want.
You wanted to create a deep, complex and sweaty game for even more sweaty gamers, but now you encounter ppl who want your vision to change.

Would you change your vision for a few others instead of fulfilling your vision?
For what? Money? Sure. Money is great, but if you have enough to keep going there is no pressure to obey.
For a bigger player base? Sure. But if your player base is already good (working economy for example) you don't NEED more. HAVING more is great, but you already fulfilled the NEED.
For non-sweaty gamers? Sure. Not everyone wants to 24/7 a game, but the game you wanted to make was for the sweatiest of the sweatiest. A game made for you and them, something you don't find often these days.

What would you do? What would you think?
Would you change your game for ppl who appear not interested enough in your game to deal with the thing they want to be changed?
When do you stop to change things - if you cater to "their" needs?

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

The devs deserve to know where their customers draw the line. I totally respect if they disagree and want that line somewhere else.

But please stop acting like this is not an early access beta undergoing constant changes and improvements. It's certainly not fooling me.

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SpankyKong#9805 wrote:

The devs deserve to know where their customers draw the line. I totally respect if they disagree and want that line somewhere else.

But please stop acting like this is not an early access beta undergoing constant changes and improvements. It's certainly not fooling me.