I just quit POE2 because of lack of WAYSTONES.

Waystone drops are way too rare even if you regal your maps. In addition, despite the fact that I have +70% chance for waystones to be a higher tier on the atlas tree, more than half of the waystones I see drop are a lower tier than the map I'm currently doing.

Why on Earth would I want a tier 4 waystone to drop in my tier 13 map? Why is this even a thing?

This is a great game at its core, but some of the boneheaded design choices they've made are really confusing. So many things just defy common sense.
Last edited by Blasphemous84#2190 on Dec 28, 2024, 11:17:24 PM
yeah, the lack of maps sucks. the not BEING ABLE TO LEVEL sucks and feels bad. the death penalty when you cannot level up is bad. the 1 shot bs sucks. Half the MAPS SUCK! the game rocks but maps can lick my balls. done till u fix this mess. GAME IS GOOD THO!
I'm out of maps now too, it's insane. Imagine people not being able to play your game (and maybe spend money on it) because you limit the one thing they need to actually play it.
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Same here. The early mapping is just unfun. I cannot progress further on T3 waystones because they dont drop. Other than that. My defense sucks, i cant complete merci lab, blood mage is trash and clunky to play. I hate Sanctum and Ultimatum.


I was like you two weeks ago.... and I trucked through.. now I am ballin' with divs and to many t15 and 16s waystones to count.

Just don't give up.
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I have 5k gold that allows me to buy a single WAYSTONE. I need 81 TIER1 waystones to combine them into TIER4 (my current tier).

MAPS do not drop waystones or drop them rarely even after I put 2 points into wayponts passive. I don't have exalts to upgrade my waysones so I simply ran out.

WAYSTONE drop should be GUARANTEED with your current stupid design (1 life only per map).

This is serious problem for new players, of course not for streamers that have millions of gold.







yellow your waystone and run map boss.. 75% chance to drop waystone and 25% to become 1 tier higher
Last edited by Hsover#6583 on Jan 1, 2025, 6:43:48 PM
This is an issue I'm having too. I had the hardest time going past T4, even tho I was ready for T15. Due to lack of higher drops I've spent way too much time grinding in the lowest tiers getting nothing. Then I had a lucky streak to get from T4 to T15 rather quickly, to then get back to T13/T14 where I am now.

From the start I was speccing ONLY for the "higher tier waystone" stuff, then for the additional rare monster stuff (so there's more of them with more affixes possibly giving more waystones). All waystones I use are at least regal-orbed with 100-300% higher waystone drops implicit. I used my last two T15 waystones that I had on two juiced up BOSS maps, T15 corrupted and irradiated lvl81 maps with +1 boss diff from atlas. I strategically left my last two T15s for those fat boss maps... and I did not get a waystone higher than a T14 from both of them. The bosses themselves did not drop a single waystone on the kills, not even T1... the T14 I got was from trash mobs. Two kills in a row, the bosses just didn't drop a single waystone... That was really frustrating and discouraging, especially since being lvl 89, I hardly get any XP from T14 if it's not fully juiced and leveled-up. It's eighter T15+ or nothing for me at this stage.

The point is, even speccing for waystone drops and adding modifiers to the waystones and maps, it's such high-variance rng that it can create a very poor player experience if one gets on the wrong side of it. I see streamers getting two T15 stones from one lvl 79 boss kill all the time, and that just doesn't happen to me at all. The rng factor is very high and the difference between being lucky and unlucky creates two completely different experiences of the endgame. For me it was a slugfest and not because of my lack of understanding. Once I saw I have a problem with it I checked all my options to make sure I'm properly set up for a smooth ride. Unfortunately it didn't happen.

I think if there were some fail-safe mechanics added, like a 100% chance for a boss to drop at least one same-level or higher waystone, or a pool of high level waystones to buy from the vendor it might help. As it is now, there's no strategy to this that guarantee smooth endgame progression. There's a lot of systems that seem like strategy (leave higher tiers for bosses, juice the maps beforehand, alocate skillpoints properly), however those systems are buried in the high variance of RNG. You can always get a bad dice roll (or few in a row) that will drastically slow your progress no matter what you do strategically, and I'd like to see some mechanics to help avoid this frustrating outcome of not being able to progress.
Last edited by KubaLy#4534 on Jan 1, 2025, 6:48:25 PM
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Hsover#6583 wrote:
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I have 5k gold that allows me to buy a single WAYSTONE. I need 81 TIER1 waystones to combine them into TIER4 (my current tier).

MAPS do not drop waystones or drop them rarely even after I put 2 points into wayponts passive. I don't have exalts to upgrade my waysones so I simply ran out.

WAYSTONE drop should be GUARANTEED with your current stupid design (1 life only per map).

This is serious problem for new players, of course not for streamers that have millions of gold.







yellow your waystone and run map boss.. 75% chance to drop waystone and 25% to become 1 tier higher


I am pretty sure every 150% is +1 waystones dropped on bosses.. so 500% is 3 waystones same tier or higher.

Like citadel bosses if you run 500% they drop 3 fragments.
IF YOU ARE RUNNING OUT OF MAPS, you are doing something increadibly stupid like runnning them as norm or magic, ROLL YOUR MAPS and you WILL NOT RUN OUT, it's simple.
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I have 5k gold that allows me to buy a single WAYSTONE. I need 81 TIER1 waystones to combine them into TIER4 (my current tier).

MAPS do not drop waystones or drop them rarely even after I put 2 points into wayponts passive. I don't have exalts to upgrade my waysones so I simply ran out.

WAYSTONE drop should be GUARANTEED with your current stupid design (1 life only per map).

This is serious problem for new players, of course not for streamers that have millions of gold.







my multiple quad tabs of waystones say otherwise.


Have you considered doing a little research into why you're failing at something the majority of people are having no problem with? Quitting is ok too, but you're not doing something right ot have this issue. The only time the entire time ive played ive bought a map was grabbing tier 1's to throw in towers.
Step 1 is to self reflect.
Two most important points for sustaining waytones:

1. Do bosses.
2. Don't die.

I went from struggling to get T15s to the point where I had to buy a bunch to now I'm sitting on 40-50 of them.

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