Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

Seems like poe 1 did very well maintaing a healthy playerbase without removing xp loss or giving handouts to cry babies.
Unfortunately they dont teach kids consequences these days and it shows, luckily GGG is know to prioritize the game and their visions over quantity and more money unlike Blizzard does these days

Nope, I think you'll find you will be very disappointed with some of the changes that will be made in order for the game to not die. This is simple numbers and how the business model of this game works, I'm sorry but only a minority of players wants some kind of cbt-simulator brutal game that punishes you every 2 seconds. That is objectively not fun. This game is gonna need more than 6 months of EA for sure to fix most of the big problems, otherwise it's gonna be dead in a few leagues after launch lol


And please stop insulting people and calling them names, this is a feedback forum.

you know nothing. nothing about the numbers, nothing about what minority or majority wants, and nothing about ggg's vision for their game. there where crybabies for the last 10 years that wanted xp loss to go, and its still there. and you know nothing about what will happen in a few leagues after launch. so pls do us all a favour and stop talking about your glorious future predictions.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

you know nothing. nothing about the numbers, nothing about what minority or majority wants, and nothing about ggg's vision for their game. there where crybabies for the last 10 years that wanted xp loss to go, and its still there. and you know nothing about what will happen in a few leagues after launch. so pls do us all a favour and stop talking about your glorious future predictions.

Sure, the steam numbers will say it all in a few weeks if nothing changes.

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mrfox123#7595 wrote:

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

And u are not providing feedback but keep crying about the same bs over and over. And im not gonna be disappointed about the changes cause i know GGG pretty well since i have been part of this community since poe 1 released and i know if they change anything its because its needed and not because they want more money or satisfy casuals crying over xp loss. Im fully confident that GGG will do a great job at balancing this game and adding content cause they have shown over many years that they are both dedicated and capable of doing so

Again, your own play pattern disproves your defence for the exp-penalty. Cause without it, you'd damn sure would have had many more lvl 100 than you do now.

Like i already said in an ealier post im not obsessed with lvl 100 at all, most chars are pretty maxed out around lvl 90-92 ish and this is usually when i want to try a different build. Not because its bad but simply because i like making new chars and experiment with different builds, im not the one build per league type and lvl 100 is not at all needed but sometimes i do it anyway

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

Like i already said in an ealier post im not obsessed with lvl 100 at all, most chars are pretty maxed out around lvl 90-92 ish and this is usually when i want to try a different build. Not because its bad but simply because i like making new chars and experiment with different builds, im not the one build per league type and lvl 100 is not at all needed but sometimes i do it anyway

Then why do you care if exp loss is removed? It doesn't affect your gameplay at all. Why defend it? Why even comment on threads like this? Makes 0 sense.

Just let other players have what they want and play the game how they want. It will never affect you.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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MrPedez#4934 wrote:

Like i already said in an ealier post im not obsessed with lvl 100 at all, most chars are pretty maxed out around lvl 90-92 ish and this is usually when i want to try a different build. Not because its bad but simply because i like making new chars and experiment with different builds, im not the one build per league type and lvl 100 is not at all needed but sometimes i do it anyway

Then why do you care if exp loss is removed? It doesn't affect your gameplay at all. Why defend it? Why even comment on threads like this? Makes 0 sense.

Just let other players have what they want and play the game how they want. It will never affect you.

the whole game is about risk and reward, same as poe1. risk vs reward. you want the risk to be removed while getting the rewards. thats not how it works. if you want a level up, do more for it then dying constantly to maps.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

you know nothing. nothing about the numbers, nothing about what minority or majority wants, and nothing about ggg's vision for their game. there where crybabies for the last 10 years that wanted xp loss to go, and its still there. and you know nothing about what will happen in a few leagues after launch. so pls do us all a favour and stop talking about your glorious future predictions.

Sure, the steam numbers will say it all in a few weeks if nothing changes.

Steam numbers dont tell the full story. Its always dropping after a month of releasing a new league, in fact thats perfectly normal and right now many people including myself are just waiting for GGG devs to come back from holiday and start working at some of the real issues and xp loss on death is probably gonna stay cause its a core design feature and needs to stay. As soon as game is patched and i know which skills gets the nerf hammer im ready to start a new char, not because i need it and my titan is already doing tier 18+ just fine but because i enjoy the process of making a char and see how it progresses

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

the whole game is about risk and reward, same as poe1. risk vs reward. you want the risk to be removed while getting the rewards. thats not how it works. if you want a level up, do more for it then dying constantly to maps.

Yeah and you have 6 portals in PoE 1 so its fine, I can juice up a map and die 4 times but still get the rewards that I earned. It's not fine in this game, its bad game design and that's a fact lmao, the very concept of losing loot,losing progression is unacceptable in a modern game. This is why Hardcore is an optional op-int mode, not forced upon players like in this joke of an endgame.

It's either changing or this game is dying. Most players will not tolerate a game that disrespects their time in such a heinous way. They will go play something else, and then you have PoE 2 with Ruthless player numbers and retention. That's what the future looks like if nothing changes.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

the whole game is about risk and reward, same as poe1. risk vs reward. you want the risk to be removed while getting the rewards. thats not how it works. if you want a level up, do more for it then dying constantly to maps.

Yeah and you have 6 portals in PoE 1 so its fine, I can juice up a map and die 4 times but still get the rewards that I earned. It's not fine in this game, its bad game design and that's a fact lmao, the very concept of losing loot,losing progression is unacceptable in a modern game. This is why Hardcore is an optional op-int mode, not forced upon players like in this joke of an endgame.

It's either changing or this game is dying. Most players will not tolerate a game that disrespects their time in such a heinous way. They will go play something else, and then you have PoE 2 with Ruthless player numbers and retention. That's what the future looks like if nothing changes.

A lot of player will also stay and since they already exceeded their expectations when it comes to numbers of players and player retention im pretty sure they dont mind loosing a few if it means they can stay true to the game and their vision. Afterall its the hardcore fans that put their money in supporter packs and not the casual player playing 50 hours on a 3 month league and move on to something else, i know i have spend my fair share+ which u can clearly see on this forum and this is by no means an abnormal amount among poe fans. That being said i dont mind if they let people use their 6 portals nor do i care if they dont ill still be playing but xp loss on death is fine and needs to stay. Poe 1 has survived and grown for many years without ever removing xp loss on death and Poe 2 will outlast all ur doomsday predictions by decades

There is a 10% loss ? I didn't realized it, I thought there isn't any. I have died multiple times. But I am closing onto level 90 now.

Mostly SSF , and only traded 2 items so far.

Tencent and GGG wanted to widen the audience of PoE2, the exp loss is by far the wrongest decision to do so. I wrote a positive review on Steam and i will change it.

Because while playing PoE2 it becomes very clear that the 'vision' is to raise player metrics over player's efforts and fun. The choices Chris Wilson made to enpower longer playtime are insane: slower walking, bigger maps, 1-dead-map-gone, exp loss, casino crafting, not enough currency to casino craft, the insanely blown up trials and so on. These are tools to artificially stretch playtime. By reducing the fun for players. Reducing fun for the profit.

This is what Bobby Kotick would do. With PoE2 Chris Wilson just went full Kotick. And you never go full Kotick. Cause this is contrary to a community driven entitlement.

I left PoE1 years ago just BECAUSE of the completely unnecessary exp loss. It was not challenging, it was just annoying, deleting my time. Now, GGG bring it to the next iteration, to 'widen' the audience. Many people in this forum, on reddit and on Steam give multiple, plausible reasons to exclude this mechanic. And GGG will HAVE to. Cause in 2024 noone will accept this torture of wasting valueable time for a misplaced game director's 'vision' to profit. I'm totally convinced, GGG would earn more when keeping people motivated.