Player based will leave and this game will die out if they don't remove the XP Penalty
" I rolled back a few minutes to get fuller context - this was not the statement that you portrayed it to be (about XP penalty being set in stone and crucial for their design). He's not even talking about POE 2. Last edited by SpankyKong#9805 on Feb 7, 2025, 1:00:25 PM
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" DUDE... it's from 2021 in a PoE league interview, why would he talk about PoE2? I already told you - their stance is "EXP loss stays" and if you want to know why... idk... watch all interviews so you get the reasoning of WHY. But my guess is, no matter their reasoning - you don't care. [Removed by Support]
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" Something tells me far fewer people would quit over lack of punishment versus people who quit for feeling it's too much. Not like we're talking about adding some P2W feature or going full mobile game Tencent approach. And I fail entirely to see how any change to softcore genuinely impacts hardcore. Maybe you have some room to argue if they introduced a proper dedicated SSF with good drop rates against the trade league, but adjusting death penalties on softcore won't impact hardcore at all. |
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" That's their goal in every single league they release, the statement has nothing to do with how PoE2 is doing. Characters in PoE1 and 2 lasts about 2 to 12 weeks depending how hardcore you are and if you trade or not, that's the nature of ARPGS, 2-4 weeks is for streamers that zoom the game and 8-12 weeks is for SSF/very casual players. Tech guy
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The XP penalty is to harsh in the end-game. It should be removed or as an alternative when doing maps do the following: When you die the node that you die on does not give XP (you got the XP the first time) so either skip it or try again without getting XP.
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" Yeah, unfortunately I have this feeling that some areas of the game feel like gacha =/ I mean, "crafting" is gambling, running pinnacle bosses is gambling because there is a cost behind the fight, if you don't get a good drop then you lost currency. I'm ok with vaal and chaos orb being gamble, it's their sole purpose and makes sense "namewise", but the gamble is everywhere. I've always heard good things about PoE1 when it comes to f2p games and how it sounded fair to buy only cosmetics and stash tabs and be able to be as strong as other players regardless of money spent. I'm happy with PoE2 microtransactions, but these gambling parts of endgame sometimes demotivate me. Last edited by Philvil#9636 on Feb 7, 2025, 1:18:03 PM
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" That clip makes no mention at all about XP loss, so why did you link it? It makes your claims, for the time being, unsubstantiated. |
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" Holy... is it so hard to understand what Chris said? He said that you are able to gain most of your power to a certain point, for example level 90, without huge issues, BUT the "power gain" after that point is increasingly harder - NOT mandatory, but harder. So if you want to get "power increasement X" - you need to invest in that, more than usual. That's the "min/maxing" he is talking about. You DON'T NEED the last levels, but if you want this "2% power increase" (min/maxing) you work for it. [Removed by Support]
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Both "should be removed" and "should stay bc we are masters here" are too radical stances, and only lead to circular arguments probably to the satisfaction of GGG who are too lazy to change it and certainly don't care about player frustration and lost time.
What it should be is optional in softcore, meaning in Standard and mainstream temp league. Leave it mandatory for your casino races since no one experiments with builds there anyway. Even D2 had difficulty levels you could swap at will, and only one of D2 difficulties had exp penalty. About "GGG founders know better" - what they know and what they are willing to do are polar opposites. As a Standard player in poe1 I fully experienced how much they care: div/ex swap, alternate gem wipe, 5000+ clicks scarab conversion, map conversion not fixed in at least 5 years, legacy items wiped with changes to support gem affixes... They are aware that omnipresent exp penalty is outdated, but won't lift a finger to fix it:) Last edited by Echothesis#7320 on Feb 7, 2025, 1:23:53 PM
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" I don't disagree with his statement here, that it should be increasingly harder... but XP loss isn't required in order to achieve that nor did he commit to anything close to that. If you recall, you stated that they unequivocally said XP penalty is here to stay & that it's set in stone but when asked for the source, you failed to provide. But I welcome if you can find that statement later on. If I knew for sure that they closed the door on that, I would not bother giving further feedback on this topic. |
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