Auction House Poll

Nice to see, that the Fire is still burning.

But Guys don't forget, the Topic is not AH or not, its that I want a Poll from GGG to see real numbers. This forum is barley used, the huge amount of casual players isn't reading this forum and when they have an opinion they post under youtube videos without any real effect.

Next week we have 2025 and its time to fact check what the players want.

So please GGG give us a poll.

It blows my mind that anyone would be against AH or at least instant buyout option. Who the hell wants to spend multiple hours whispering a laundry list of people off a web browser tab that you need to refresh every 2 minutes only to fail to receive an invite or response of any kind 99% of the time?

The whole "AH belongs in mmorpg not arpg" has to be a joke... I mean, why? Tick SSF if you don't want a trade market in your game.

I feel like it probably does have something to do with MTX being worth less if people aren't forced to travel to other hideouts for 20 seconds any time they want to upgrade an item for currency they've accrued over time. Which is just really unfortunate.

Hopefully, somewhere along the line someone with some juice is able to show or prove that the value in total sales lost due to the number of players leaving the game altogether because of the existing awful trade system outweighs the loss of MTX sales due to the forced hideout visits.

Btw Merry Christmas all!

I prefer using the functionality of the webtrade. Usually auction houses suck when it comes to finesse. With the amount of different stats you can search for in different combinations, paying in varying currency and having bulk trades.
I do not trust that if an AH is implemented it would functionally be on par with the webtrade.

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

I prefer using the functionality of the webtrade. Usually auction houses suck when it comes to finesse. With the amount of different stats you can search for in different combinations, paying in varying currency and having bulk trades.
I do not trust that if an AH is implemented it would functionally be on par with the webtrade.

You prefer the web-browser trade to an implemented in game trade system with an actual instant buyout option? Based on your ability to trust the functionality. I mean sure some AH's have sucked but if every game development company operated with your concerns at heart, we'd never have anything innovative ever. Perhaps they can design it to be even better than the trade site in terms of functionality and search options/filters.

Would certainly beat the ridiculous amount of time players seem to be forced to waste to buy an upgrade versus actually playing the game. Just my opinion though.

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basilownzyou#4893 wrote:

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

I prefer using the functionality of the webtrade. Usually auction houses suck when it comes to finesse. With the amount of different stats you can search for in different combinations, paying in varying currency and having bulk trades.
I do not trust that if an AH is implemented it would functionally be on par with the webtrade.

You prefer the web-browser trade to an implemented in game trade system with an actual instant buyout option? Based on your ability to trust the functionality. I mean sure some AH's have sucked but if every game development company operated with your concerns at heart, we'd never have anything innovative ever. Perhaps they can design it to be even better than the trade site in terms of functionality and search options/filters.

Would certainly beat the ridiculous amount of time players seem to be forced to waste to buy an upgrade versus actually playing the game. Just my opinion though.

Yes I do, thats why I said that I do, and I even stated why I do so.
Don't be mad because some people got their own opinion.

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

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basilownzyou#4893 wrote:

You prefer the web-browser trade to an implemented in game trade system with an actual instant buyout option? Based on your ability to trust the functionality. I mean sure some AH's have sucked but if every game development company operated with your concerns at heart, we'd never have anything innovative ever. Perhaps they can design it to be even better than the trade site in terms of functionality and search options/filters.

Would certainly beat the ridiculous amount of time players seem to be forced to waste to buy an upgrade versus actually playing the game. Just my opinion though.

Yes I do, thats why I said that I do, and I even stated why I do so.
Don't be mad because some people got their own opinion.

Assuming someone is mad because they disagree with you is a bad look. Clearly I believe in and support everyone having their own opinion as I finished my last comment with "just my opinion though". To each their own of course. I'm just intrigued why or how someone could prefer the current awkwardness over something that respects the players' time.

Well I pretty much included why I prefer the current webtrade over an AH of unknown functionality.

Since it was in my initial post I just thought of you as one of the many ragers on the forums, only bothering to read half a post then get mad about it because its of a differing opinion.

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

Thats only if the community actually hates them - vocal minority is on the forums, trade working well for me - its the best auction house I have experienced in any game

you are wrong most people do not trade at all. and when they can not progress anymore from selffound or friend trade they will stop playing. like friends i have. easy auction in game with everything will solve a lot of quiting in my opinion.

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Glorfndel01#6465 wrote:

Someone who is pro AH explain how the functionality of the GGG trade website in finding what you need can be duplicated in an AH.

I've never used an AH that wasn't total shit for search, items weren't ridiculously overpriced and sellers were content to sit indefinitely on their items. Not that some of this doesn't happen here, but the fast moving economy evens things out fairly quickly.

Is there a specific game where buying items you need is fairly painless, quick and doesn't result in ruining the game? Be specific now because I want to play it

Just do it completly like it works right now. Just one thing changes:
Instead of a whsiper button, there is a Buy button. And instead of a whisper it does two things: 1) Checks that you have the currency asked to fulfill the deal, then deducts the currency from your stash. Adds the Currency to the stash of the Seller. 2) Removes the Item from the stash of the seller, and puts it in a AH Tab of an NPC in your hideout, like a remove only Tab.
Both actions are bundled in a database transaction, so if one should not go trough the other cant happen aswell.

Now you could go on and move the trade website interface inside the client aswell but for the basic idea of how an auction house direct buy transaction should work this is they way to go.

If you want to do timed bidding auctions, this could be done again via the AH NPC. Select an item, post an offer, by putting in the currency, the currency remains locked until the transactions completes or a higher bid arrives.

There are relatively easy ways to implement this, based on the way trading and the currency exchange market allready work.

"most people prefer AH."
"most people do not want AH."

None of you have real data except pulling out of you a** or just anecdotal.

Here's what's real.

The people that doesn't want AH is because they stand to gain more profit. I have used 2 other games as an example in another thread but I cannot be arse to copy paste. There's probably a minority of people (numbers pulled out of my arse) that prefers the status quo. It's like how some people likes to write journal on paper and pen while most people have moved on to Apple notes (or whatever app you use.)

The truth is, an AH is efficient. GGG do not want efficiency. The invention of the internet creates wealth exponentially due to efficiency. Without the internet, there are certain information that are only exclusive to some people.

With an AH, you have an overabundance of supplies, hence, drives most prices down relatively speaking, except for a few outliers. Not in terms of currency value but rather, more players can afford things. Things to upgrade and progress, allowing your character to grow.

Without an AH, a player with deep knowledge of the market can profit at a rate faster than you doing 100x T15 maps. Anyone who plays the market in any MMO knows this. We love exploiting inefficiency and players lack of knowledge. I believe maybe half the players at endgame probably still cannot tell how much things are worth because they don't trade or they cannot be arse to do so.

It's very simple. When information is scarce, only those with knowledge can exploit the market. This is not hard to understand.

GGG has this vision to create this pseudo friction on trading so most of us grind the game instead of trading. By keeping trading inefficient, you increase the chances of having players to grind.

You people criticise the lack of AH in this game since 2013 open beta but you kept coming back to it grumbling about AH. Why?

There is currently zero ARPG with the same level of complexity and depth as POE.

Alas, GGG will never change their stance. There will never be an AH. Good luck hoping. Either you go back playing Last Epoch or accept that there will be no AH.

My god I am old AF, a 2013 complaint and argument that has never ended. It's going to be 2025 soon.

Merry Christmas btw.