Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

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shiftypaaste#4459 wrote:

There is a 0.00001% chance that GGG will remove the exp loss on death.

Having 6 portals back would be nice though.

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KuroSF#6521 wrote:

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The goal of PoE 2 was to attract a wider audience, not shrink it down to a niche of people who enjoy ultra-hardcore games that punish you for no reason lol

Uhm, POE2 *has* attracted a wider audience.

POE1 is unpopular in part because it's mindlessly easy, and the audience for afk gaming is small.

POE1, 220k peak players (steam)
POE2, 540k peak players (steam)
Elden Ring, 22M+ copies sold

I'm not sure what the future of POE2 or XP-loss is, but I can say with certainty that it is not going to be an "only positive emotion" tomagochi simulator like POE1, because *that* would give it a simliarily tiny audience.

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CaduAndrade#9284 wrote:

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shiftypaaste#4459 wrote:

There is a 0.00001% chance that GGG will remove the exp loss on death.

Having 6 portals back would be nice though.

100% of me abandoning the game just like I abandoned POE1.

I only bought early access because I thought there would be no XP penalty.

I just reached the endgame and I already uninstalled the game.

What a bad idea to lose a player. It doesn't make sense to lose my little progression time because of a penalty.

They could add a checkbox in the settings: "I like to suffer"

It was going well but they lost another player.

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Xebov#4972 wrote:

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CaduAndrade#9284 wrote:

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shiftypaaste#4459 wrote:

There is a 0.00001% chance that GGG will remove the exp loss on death.

Having 6 portals back would be nice though.

100% of me abandoning the game just like I abandoned POE1.

I only bought early access because I thought there would be no XP penalty.

I just reached the endgame and I already uninstalled the game.

What a bad idea to lose a player. It doesn't make sense to lose my little progression time because of a penalty.

They could add a checkbox in the settings: "I like to suffer"

It was going well but they lost another player.

Nearly the same for me. I also find it interesting that players defending the 1 portal and XP loss mechanics and acting like its a good and required thing without pointing out what exactly the thing is this mechanic is supposed to prevent (whats the value of it for gameplay).

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Mouser#2899 wrote:

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BK2710#6123 wrote:

Why can't people understand the purpose of XP loss? It didn't just pop into existence randomly.

Ok, let me tell you the real reason for XP loss on death, since you correctly point out people don't understand where it comes from.

It was created in Text Based MUD's like MUME (Multi-Users-in-Middle-Earth) to keep some sort of progression going. Players would play the same characters for years, and reaching max level wasn't that hard.

Losing XP (and your items) on death kept the game interesting. Mobs simply weren't a real challenge, and gave an edge to the PvP. People would bounce up and down the upper tier of levels.

When Graphical MUD's like Ultima Online and Everquest came, they kept the mechanic. It was particularly bad in Everquest, where parties simply wouldn't let you join if you didn't have optimal gear and everyone didn't have the max buffs, as the cost of dying was simply too great to allow even a slim possibility.

The next generation of MMO's kept the idea out of habit, but have consistently made the death penalty less severe over time, even removing it completely.

It serves no purpose in a game like Path of Exile 2. The challenge of the mobs is enough to gate progress. It's not a subscription or persistent game, so there's no need to artificially inflate the play time.

And - and this is the really important part - making a game punishing means you MUST make it less challenging. The hardest and most challenging video games have no death penalty. Players can fail a level a hundred times in a row and keep playing because they can get right back in and try again. Once you add in a punishment, their frustration rises exponentially.

You punish people to get them to change their behavior. In this case, it gets players to avoid challenges until they are geared and leveled enough that it is no longer challenging. That is piss poor game design.

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Xebov#4972 wrote:

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CaduAndrade#9284 wrote:

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shiftypaaste#4459 wrote:

There is a 0.00001% chance that GGG will remove the exp loss on death.

Having 6 portals back would be nice though.

100% of me abandoning the game just like I abandoned POE1.

I only bought early access because I thought there would be no XP penalty.

I just reached the endgame and I already uninstalled the game.

What a bad idea to lose a player. It doesn't make sense to lose my little progression time because of a penalty.

They could add a checkbox in the settings: "I like to suffer"

It was going well but they lost another player.

Nearly the same for me. I also find it interesting that players defending the 1 portal and XP loss mechanics and acting like its a good and required thing without pointing out what exactly the thing is this mechanic is supposed to prevent (whats the value of it for gameplay).

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

We, PoE2 enjoyers, accept your condition. We accept to have a great, fun, but also punitive and challenging game with those designs, and to have a community without people like you constantly complaining about it.

Cordially, a gamer.

Enjoy a dead game with Ruthless player numbers and trash build diversity then. This game will die if these bad designs aren't changed. But don't worry, they will change. That's what EA is for after all. Can't wait to see all the patch notes.

All you're doing is gatekeeping and trying to chase players away. Go play your perfect "punitive" "challenging" "hardcore" game if you enjoy it so much. Why comment on the forum just to disagree with people? This is a feedback forum, the majority has spoken on what they want and how they want the game to be improved. It will happen, otherwise GGG would lose way too many players and this game is gonna be dead eventually.

You'll find that you will be very disappointed with some of the upcoming patch notes, changes will have to be made. Go play hc ssf if you want a """challenge""" when they inevitably revert back to 6 portals per map, and the exp penalty will most likely be changed to only apply after lvl90 btw so that will be a very welcome change by the majority of the playerbase and community.

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

Ok !

But tell me how that's your problem since you will be leaving this ("dead") game ?

Also, I didn't know 80%+ of people leaving positive reviews of the game are "the majority" of negative people, but ho well, I guess you will lie as much as you can to validate your state of victim, while believing your extremely toxic vocal minority is the main opinion.

There is absolutely nothing wrong for you to just leave this game you dislike and play some games you enjoy. But there is something extremely wrong with you forcing yourself to play a game you hate and bashing it every hours of every days. Just move on bro.

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Toforto#2372 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

Ok !

But tell me how that's your problem since you will be leaving this ("dead") game ?

Also, I didn't know 80%+ of people leaving positive reviews of the game are "the majority" of negative people, but ho well, I guess you will lie as much as you can to validate your state of victim, while believing your extremely toxic vocal minority is the main opinion.

There is absolutely nothing wrong for you to just leave this game you dislike and play some games you enjoy. But there is something extremely wrong with you forcing yourself to play a game you hate and bashing it every hours of every days. Just move on bro.

No. I'm giving feedback just as valuable and valid as anyone else's. Because I know exactly what will happen to this game if nothing changes and it releases leagues. It will die in a matter of months. Steam reviews mean nothing, most are by people who are still in the campaign with less than 100 hours played and that's not even the game at all. That's just some chore tutorial you have to do, it's literally empty,meaningless content. The actual players who will stick around league after league don't care about the campaign, it's just something to blaze through to get to the actual game: endgame. And that part of the game sucks too atm. It should get better after you get out of the campaign, not worse lmao