Massive nerf for most build - GIVE ME SLOW BUT IMPACTFUL POE2 EXPERIENCE

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galloper#2354 wrote:

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StrykerxS77x#8221 wrote:

It's just POE 1 gameplay. This is supposed to be POE 2.

No.

Key word is "PoE", number is arbitrary.
We love the gameplay that PoE offers, we don't want it to change, it is what kept this game afloat for years and interesting for it's base population of players.

The number is not arbitrary. This is why the campaign is so extremely different than POE 1. This is a different game.

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StrykerxS77x#8221 wrote:

The number is not arbitrary. This is why the campaign is so extremely different than POE 1. This is a different game.

yes, thats the reason it sucks

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Schverika#2698 wrote:

3) "I am a weak willed degenerate who will always play the strongest thing I discover. I want the game to hold me back by restricting my choices so that the strongest thing I can do is at a satisfactory pace. I'm not having fun because the game isn't compensating for my lack of self control.

This description is bad faith and nonsensical. The problem has nothing to do with "always playing the strongest build". It's what the game is designed to do. The game gives players the power to sprint through the hardest maps and you don't at all have to play the strongest build to do that. "Lack of self control" has nothing to do with it. The very first build I made in this game became over powered brain dead zoom. I copied nothing. The devs have also already acknowledged some of this problem with the pinnacle bosses dying far too quickly. It's a balance and design problem. Not a durrrr you just lack self control BS.

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EffKayZA#1861 wrote:

IMHO the solution to this problem of wanting slower and more intricate and more challenging gameplay is to play the game that way.

And not to compare yourself to others.
And not to worry over "efficiency" and "farming rates" but to play that way because it's more fun for you.

And if others want to Zooom the game and one-shot all pinnacle content with one press of the button.... then let them play their way.

And you play your way.

This isn't a solution. GGG needs to pick a lane. Either push POE 2 gameplay or just go full POE 1. This game is an identity crisis. Playing a bad character is not a solution.

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Leilu#6611 wrote:

I'll use a practical case to demonstrate.
What monk is going to want to use Killing Palm when Combat Frenzy and Resonance exist at a derisory price (1 point very close in the passive tree and 30 spirit)? Killing Palm only kills a single enemy even when an entire group is close to death, is impossible to use if you one-shot everything, is useless for generating charges during a boss, requires an animation that can potentially get you into trouble as it brings you back to the center of the action and this is the time during which Ice Strike or Falling Thunder, the one-button map cleaner is not used.

What monk? A monk that picked Embrace the Darkness has no spirit. Or a monk that wants the frenzy charges (to feed Barrage on a bow) in addition to power charges (who could then pick Lingering Illusion with their spirit).

Monks can transition from Killing Palm (a Lv 3 skill) to Lightning Warp (a Lv 9 skill) + Ball Lightning (a Lv 11 skill) + Siphoning Strike (a Lv 7 skill) to get their power charge generation while also ensuring Shock during boss fights and normal mobs. Hooking up Unleash on Ball Lightning, the monk can get out of action immediately after teleporting into the action with Siphoning Strike. Now you can argue that's too many button presses to set up the screen kill and there's more efficient answers. Saying "combo play is inefficient" is different to "combo play is unviable".

Killing Palm served its purpose as an earlygame skill to nudge players to look for better. Combo-based play hasn't died just because a tutorial skill loses its purpose by midgame. So I return to my question: why do players say "give slow, impactful gameplay"? Do they lack knowledge of existing systems? Do they have FOMO after watching other players zoom? Do they want to have a satisfactory SSF experience up to the easiest version of pinnacle bosses?

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StrykerxS77x#8221 wrote:

This description is bad faith and nonsensical. The problem has nothing to do with "always playing the strongest build". It's what the game is designed to do. The game gives players the power to sprint through the hardest maps and you don't at all have to play the strongest build to do that. "Lack of self control" has nothing to do with it. The very first build I made in this game became over powered brain dead zoom. I copied nothing. The devs have also already acknowledged some of this problem with the pinnacle bosses dying far too quickly. It's a balance and design problem. Not a durrrr you just lack self control BS.

Yes it was a derogatory caricature, there to be defeated with proper detail. Something that was lacking with your prior statements of "designed for annhilating screens" and "playing badly and inefficiently". Thank you for going into depth.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

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StrykerxS77x#8221 wrote:

The number is not arbitrary. This is why the campaign is so extremely different than POE 1. This is a different game.

yes, thats the reason it sucks

Agree with you the campaign is trash , that's why the game is dying even though GGG did what they could to keep PoE 1 alive through seasons .

TL;DR for the thread:

Please nerf the builds I cannot afford.

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Schverika#2698 wrote:

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Leilu#6611 wrote:

I'll use a practical case to demonstrate.
What monk is going to want to use Killing Palm when Combat Frenzy and Resonance exist at a derisory price (1 point very close in the passive tree and 30 spirit)? Killing Palm only kills a single enemy even when an entire group is close to death, is impossible to use if you one-shot everything, is useless for generating charges during a boss, requires an animation that can potentially get you into trouble as it brings you back to the center of the action and this is the time during which Ice Strike or Falling Thunder, the one-button map cleaner is not used.

What monk? A monk that picked Embrace the Darkness has no spirit. Or a monk that wants the frenzy charges (to feed Barrage on a bow) in addition to power charges (who could then pick Lingering Illusion with their spirit).

Monks can transition from Killing Palm (a Lv 3 skill) to Lightning Warp (a Lv 9 skill) + Ball Lightning (a Lv 11 skill) + Siphoning Strike (a Lv 7 skill) to get their power charge generation while also ensuring Shock during boss fights and normal mobs. Hooking up Unleash on Ball Lightning, the monk can get out of action immediately after teleporting into the action with Siphoning Strike.

Killing Palm served its purpose as an earlygame skill to nudge players to look for better. Combo-based play hasn't died just because a tutorial skill loses its purpose by midgame. So I return to my question: why do players say "give slow, impactful gameplay"? Do they lack knowledge of existing systems? Do they have FOMO after watching other players zoom? Do they want to have a satisfactory SSF experience up to the easiest version of pinnacle bosses?

What about the invoker?
There are no "tutorial skill" in a game with good game design. All skills must have a purpose, from the beginning to the end of the game.
All the alternatives to Killing Palm you mentioned are still less effective than Combat Frenzy + Resonnance to generate power charges.
You know as well as I do that there aren't 30 ways to play invoker if you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

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StrykerxS77x#8221 wrote:

The number is not arbitrary. This is why the campaign is so extremely different than POE 1. This is a different game.

yes, thats the reason it sucks

I love the campaign and as far as I can see most players do as well.