Is PoE2 even PoE?

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

No....we don't have to see. We know. You think you're the first to hate something so vehemently that you talk about revolting and sticking it to the company?

This has happened on at least 3 separate occasions in the history of PoE 1, let alone PoE 2. And guess what? PoE 1 has more players now than it ever had before, and there was never even a blip in the lake.
1) Ex / Div switch
2) Revolt of the summoners
3) 3.14

So many threats of revolt and quitting from folks who thought they were in the majority only to be proven woefully wrong. And even some folks (i literally know them by forum name) who said over and over again for weeks or months that they quit and uninstalled the game over certain changes.....are back and still playing now.


The forum complainers are ALWAYS....always in the minority. And usually the extreme minority. It's a simple truth of forum use. The negatives are always highly vocal, but they rarely represent any real portion of the players. There's generally an equal amount of voices that feel the opposite, and then there's a HUGE amount of voices that don't care at all and aren't posting. THEY are the true majority: the ones that either just play and enjoy or have already quit and moved on.

Plus, your comment of "the game is dead" is very clearly a signal that you are certainly not speaking for anyone but yourself here. By the sheer simple fact that.....it isn't.

If you "know" why do you have to convince me that there wouldn't be any meaningful outrage when they kill PoE or give us another steaming pile of garbage league?

You afraid of it or something?

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The forum complainers are ALWAYS....always in the minority. And usually the extreme minority. It's a simple truth of forum use. The negatives are always highly vocal, but they rarely represent any real portion of the players. There's generally an equal amount of voices that feel the opposite, and then there's a HUGE amount of voices that don't care at all and aren't posting. THEY are the true majority: the ones that either just play and enjoy or have already quit and moved on.

You seems to be highly vocal too, you're like the top 3 commenter in this thread lol. Are you also the minority that you're labelling? Do you even have any self-awareness?

"Any opinion that I don't agree is from the vocal minority :( :("

yes....I am also in the minority.

Everyone who posts on the forum are in the minority.

However, its far more likely that any POSITIVE feedback is going to be more representative of the majority of players. Because the ones playing the game are ultimately the ones who LIKE the game.

The majority who play simply don't care enough about anything to form any kind of opinion. They play and lose themselves for a few hours, and then move on. But they play because they like the game. They aren't playing because they hate it.


And no....its not "any opinion I disagree with". It's opinions with are overtly negative with no substantive evidence to back up wide sweeping comments of being representative of a much larger group.

I've been swayed in arguments before, but it certainly won't happen here with the way you present your arguments and responses.


Delusional feelings of "power" or "control" over the developers of the game and the future of the game is hilarious to read.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

It's opinions with are overtly negative with no substantive evidence to back up wide sweeping comments of being representative of a much larger group.

It's funny when presented with evidences in this thread you all deflect and make up confusing argument out of them.

PoE2 0.4 is objectively worst PoE2 performing league so far and what are you excuses? (chart: https://poe2db.tw/League#ConcurrentPlayers)

PoE2 have been on a decline trend since Early Access (
chart: https://steamdb.info/app/2694490/charts/#max)

while PoE1 has been on a growing trend for a decade (chart: https://steamdb.info/app/238960/charts/#max)

yet many sentimentals on here is that PoE1 is "outdated" and should be put aside for PoE2's growth. Ridiculous.

What are your copes on these matters?

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Delusional feelings of "power" or "control" over the developers of the game and the future of the game is hilarious to read.

Yet it did. Look how much major change both PoE1 and PoE2 community got from major backlash.

In 3.15, PoE1 community have literally driven out the PoE2 "vision" so hard GGG had to fork PoE2 into a standalone game because they cannot merge PoE1 with PoE2.

Throughout PoE2 Early Access how much of "vision" was pushed back by it's own players and changed the game fundamentally? Loot? Area length? Wells? Difficulty? Towers? Sprint? Checkpoint? Map portals?

If you refuse to see the trend, I will lay it out for you plainly: GGG can keep their vision and shove it up their ass. But a game is still a product, and the paying customer will have a large say in how they want the product to be. They can be stubborn on their vision and bleed players or change to the community's voice. This is entirely their choice. And the trend so far have proven that GGG is very willing to bend over to please PoE2's community.

Soon the ridiculous vision will be diminished to almost nothing because the community demands it.

Keep telling yourself yours and mine and other voices don't matter. Lol. I don't care about you.

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

Delusional feelings of "power" or "control" over the developers of the game and the future of the game is hilarious to read.

Yet it did. Look how much major change both PoE1 and PoE2 community got from major backlash.

Lets see, expedition league backlash and kalandra league backlash are the most memorable one for me. Especially in Kalandra, the backlash was so big that Chris quickly make changes to quell the flame.

lol is all I have left to say....I prefer to have conversations with adults.

Did you know that a new app is coming out that warns you if a child is about to throw a tantrum? That thing would be dinging like hell in this thread.

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cowmoo275#3095 wrote:

lol is all I have left to say....I prefer to have conversations with adults.

Did you know that a new app is coming out that warns you if a child is about to throw a tantrum? That thing would be dinging like hell in this thread.

So your entire counter-argument is calling me a child?

Bro, be better.

there's no counterargument to be had at this point. We aren't arguing.

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

Lucky? We literally paid for the development of PoE2 while being fed the "2 campaign 1 game" "It's PoE 4.0"

If they stop supporting PoE1 I we literally revolt.

Now go enjoy your """PoE"""2 game, paid by us.

I understand your frustration, but I paid for PoE2 so I don't feel in debt with anyone.

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SparvieroGed#4893 wrote:

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nagisanzeninzz#2697 wrote:

Lucky? We literally paid for the development of PoE2 while being fed the "2 campaign 1 game" "It's PoE 4.0"

If they stop supporting PoE1 I we literally revolt.

Now go enjoy your """PoE"""2 game, paid by us.

I understand your frustration, but I paid for PoE2 so I don't feel in debt with anyone.

He is not wrong.
The supporters got scammed with a wrong presentation 2021. They had much less skill effects and more visual clarity, smoother and faster gameplay.

2022 Elden Ring released and some tourists threw the old concept over board. Druid and Amazon were ready 2021 already, but had to be delayed to fit into the new combat and movement slogs.

Now you are stucked with an engine coded for something else.

Look.....this whole idea that people were "scammed" because they invested money on an "idea" is ridiculous: we were told right from the very beginning that things COULD and probably WOULD drastically change. They were upfront about that. They were even upfront about that prior to the launch of the early access, and STILL people complain that things change and their builds and stuff gets changed.

That's on y'all.