T17s are still an overtuned mess that are also annoying to roll

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Toforto wrote:
Pretty funny how most people default to "git gud", I'm actually so tired of hearing this when having any kind of criticism about a game lol


After reading your responses here...maybe you should be asking why so many of your comments have the "git gud" response? You are so tired of hearing it because all your complaints have the same lesson that you refuse to learn.

Delving requires a certain set of skills and a certain build design. I don't have those skills, nor do I prefer those builds. So you know what I do? I choose other things to do rather than delve.

You know what I DON'T do? Complain that delve is poorly designed because my non-delve character with non-delve abilities can't complete delve.

Because the very first responses I'll get are: your build isn't suited for delve. And then when I explain what I do I'll get "that's not how you delve". It's not poor design for certain builds to not succeed at certain things. And it is almost always a skill issue.
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jsuslak313 wrote:
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Toforto wrote:
Pretty funny how most people default to "git gud", I'm actually so tired of hearing this when having any kind of criticism about a game lol


After reading your responses here...maybe you should be asking why so many of your comments have the "git gud" response? You are so tired of hearing it because all your complaints have the same lesson that you refuse to learn.

Delving requires a certain set of skills and a certain build design. I don't have those skills, nor do I prefer those builds. So you know what I do? I choose other things to do rather than delve.

You know what I DON'T do? Complain that delve is poorly designed because my non-delve character with non-delve abilities can't complete delve.

Because the very first responses I'll get are: your build isn't suited for delve. And then when I explain what I do I'll get "that's not how you delve". It's not poor design for certain builds to not succeed at certain things. And it is almost always a skill issue.


And t17s are different because they're way more rewarding than everything else, if they had about the same loot as t16 maps I wouldn't care. But they don't, and people abuse t17 farms and get lots of currency meanwhile those who can't are stuck doing t16 strats. You don't see me complaining about the other content my build can't do because it isn't so colossally more rewarding than everything else in the game, but t17s are. And no, it isn't almost always a skill issue lol
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Toforto wrote:


These questions don't change the fact that t17s suck.


Yea real transformative feedback here "sucks because they are bad"


You cant even answer to anything you actually say; Ill reference them here again so everyone can see: You dont need to respond to me since you cant actually answer for any of these.
Spoiler
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Toforto wrote:

perfect mirror-costing builds that abuse every defensive layer in this game.


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Toforto wrote:

t17s were made to be farmed by those specific 3 builds and nothing else. Very cool game design.


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Toforto wrote:

Hurr durr just build defences just copy paste everyone's hc ssf meta build and do the boring checklist while having 500k dps and being tanky" isn't a solution to this problem.


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Toforto wrote:

Yes such good game design, only the top 0.000000001% who have 10 mirror builds can farm t17s for good rewards by abusing rogue exiles, meanwhile everyone else suffers. Very cool.


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Toforto wrote:

Then people are forced to play unfun expensive builds if they don't wanna "miss out"


So this person believes there are 3 builds, all being 10 mirrors or more, that do 500k dps, that people are forced to play, that only 0.000000001% can do for good rewards from t17s.

Who are these people?
What builds are these?

And your response is "Ah man it doesnt matter t17s suck"


or any data about your character that tells you what the problem is;
Spoiler


just constant deflect deflect deflect, excuse excuse excuse.

"10 mirror build that does 500k damage from hcssf, theres only 3 of them as well, 0.000000001% players can only do this..."

Lmfao
Mash the clean
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Mashgesture wrote:
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Toforto wrote:


These questions don't change the fact that t17s suck.


Yea real transformative feedback here "sucks because they are bad"


You cant even answer to anything you actually say; Ill reference them here again so everyone can see: You dont need to respond to me since you cant actually answer for any of these.
Spoiler
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Toforto wrote:

perfect mirror-costing builds that abuse every defensive layer in this game.


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Toforto wrote:

t17s were made to be farmed by those specific 3 builds and nothing else. Very cool game design.


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Toforto wrote:

Hurr durr just build defences just copy paste everyone's hc ssf meta build and do the boring checklist while having 500k dps and being tanky" isn't a solution to this problem.


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Toforto wrote:

Yes such good game design, only the top 0.000000001% who have 10 mirror builds can farm t17s for good rewards by abusing rogue exiles, meanwhile everyone else suffers. Very cool.


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Toforto wrote:

Then people are forced to play unfun expensive builds if they don't wanna "miss out"


So this person believes there are 3 builds, all being 10 mirrors or more, that do 500k dps, that people are forced to play, that only 0.000000001% can do for good rewards from t17s.

Who are these people?
What builds are these?

And your response is "Ah man it doesnt matter t17s suck"


or any data about your character that tells you what the problem is;
Spoiler


just constant deflect deflect deflect, excuse excuse excuse.

"10 mirror build that does 500k damage from hcssf, theres only 3 of them as well, 0.000000001% players can only do this..."

Lmfao


I don't care how many quotes you throw at me, I already said none of those things were meant literally lol
^nothing you say is meant literally? So what does it mean?

"Colossally more rewarding" is very much a case-by-case argument. It is colossally more rewarding to run juiced t16s than it is to run white maps. Should builds that can only complete white maps be entitled to the same t16 juiced content then? Builds that can clear really fast naturally make WAY more currency than builds that cannot. Should lower clear speed builds get the same amount of loot as a fast clearing build, doing content that requires fast speed?

What you are saying makes no actual sense. Content at every level of gameplay is gated behind correct strategy and correct build. T17s are no different.
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jsuslak313 wrote:
^nothing you say is meant literally? So what does it mean?


Read my previous posts? I said its hyperbole just to describe how much I dislike t17s.
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Toforto wrote:
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jsuslak313 wrote:
^nothing you say is meant literally? So what does it mean?


Read my previous posts? I said its hyperbole just to describe how much I dislike t17s.



Oh I read them, believe me. So basically you are just admitting that you have nothing real or substantial to say except:

I hate t17s. I will lie about everything else, but all I'm really trying to say is that I hate them.


Okay, great. Well done.
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jsuslak313 wrote:
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Toforto wrote:
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jsuslak313 wrote:
^nothing you say is meant literally? So what does it mean?


Read my previous posts? I said its hyperbole just to describe how much I dislike t17s.



Oh I read them, believe me. So basically you are just admitting that you have nothing real or substantial to say except:

I hate t17s. I will lie about everything else, but all I'm really trying to say is that I hate them.


Okay, great. Well done.


At this point it has become clear he'll retroactively declare anything he's proven wrong on as "not to be taken literally" and we're all just too stupid to understand what he actually meant. Because duh.

Honestly, we're all better off ignoring this topic, and past this comment I'll take my own advice
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
Imagine throwing someone's words back at them and trying to make them seem wrong while defending a bad game mechanic just because they're complaining that t17s suck lol
Imagine coming to the feedback section for anything that was said when clearly the gameplay/help section should have been the first stop.
Mash the clean

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