T17s are still an overtuned mess that are also annoying to roll

mods not balanced... can be more balanced and some removed

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Mashgesture wrote:

I think its pretty funny that you aren't able to look inward at your character that's getting one shot by a goat.

Cool I guess, did you know that its literally impossible to build any defences in the build I'm playing because of where it is on the skill tree and the fact it uses so many uniques and alva temple gloves? So what you're doing here is just making fun of me for no reason. I'm so sorry that we aren't all amazing players who have perfect mirror-costing builds that abuse every defensive layer in this game. Because obviously t17s were made to be farmed by those specific 3 builds and nothing else. Very cool game design.

Maybe your build just isn‘t suited for T17s then. I played a build very much like yours 2 times already. It‘s a single target monster. I used it for bossing, invitations and Sanctum, but I would never expect to run T17s with it. You have quite the attitude to make a squishy character, complain that it is too squishy, then call people elitist who point that out to you.

Maybe go watch some Tatiantel2 content if totems are what you look for, but with a more balanced approach to defences.

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Toforto wrote:

Well I disagree, I think most builds should be able to run them just like how most can run t16 strats. And if they refuse to make it like that, then nerf t17 rewards so they're about the same as t16 rewards, then I would have no reason to complain because I can just ignore t17s and do t16 strats. Just like how I avoid Simulacrum because my build sucks at it, I'm fine with not doing that content because I know the rewards it gives aren't so exponentially larger than what other content would give. But the gap between t16 and t17 is so huge, and the more juiced up they are the more the loot multiplies to insane levels. That's my problem with it.

Meta builds will always make more currency than non meta builds. GGG disagrees with the idea that MOST builds should be able to do the same thing. GGG will nerf meta builds, they will rarely buff non meta builds.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

Maybe your build just isn‘t suited for T17s then. I played a build very much like yours 2 times already. It‘s a single target monster. I used it for bossing, invitations and Sanctum, but I would never expect to run T17s with it. You have quite the attitude to make a squishy character, complain that it is too squishy, then call people elitist who point that out to you.

Maybe go watch some Tatiantel2 content if totems are what you look for, but with a more balanced approach to defences.

That channel has like 99% ruthless content????? Why are you directing an sc trade player to someone who doesn't even make builds for that league. And the only non-ruthless one was a totem build with 11 mil dps, which is far too low for me to enjoy the game. I don't get why people defend t17s, they're horrible to run and roll, the layouts mostly suck and there are a lot of mobs that can literally off-screen oneshot you for a cheap "gotcha" moment. And ofc all the people who easily do these maps will defend them, they have no problem with how t17s are now because they can do them. I don't care what they do with these maps anymore, I have scarab of bisection and scarab of stability, and carries exist. If they refuse to actually balance them right then I know what to do kek

If you had taken more than 5 seconds to come to a judgement you'd have seen his extensive list of PoBs in his public spreadsheet. That guy breathes totem builds and makes them viable for every mode. Have some decorum, Toforto.

That was honestly a bottom tier response from you. Clearly you don't want to do better, you just want to go off. That, you did, but I need no part in your petty drama.

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ArtCrusade wrote:

If you had taken more than 5 seconds to come to a judgement you'd have seen his extensive list of PoBs in his public spreadsheet.

Bottom tier response, Toforto. You don't want to help, you just want to go off. That, you did, but I need no part in your drama.

Why would I know where these spreadsheets are, why would I go looking at them? If content in a game requires you to go through this many hoops, its bad. I always play the same 1 build every league, and will continue to do so.

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Toforto wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

If you had taken more than 5 seconds to come to a judgement you'd have seen his extensive list of PoBs in his public spreadsheet.

Bottom tier response, Toforto. You don't want to help, you just want to go off. That, you did, but I need no part in your drama.

Why would I know where these spreadsheets are, why would I go looking at them? If content in a game requires you to go through this many hoops, its bad. I always play the same 1 build every league, and will continue to do so.

I'd have cared before that response. I doubt that with this kind of attention span the resource I pointed you towards would help you anyway, so whatever man. It's your funeral

Im still trying to figure out who they are referring to when saying things like:

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Toforto wrote:

perfect mirror-costing builds that abuse every defensive layer in this game.

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Toforto wrote:

t17s were made to be farmed by those specific 3 builds and nothing else. Very cool game design.

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Toforto wrote:

Hurr durr just build defences just copy paste everyone's hc ssf meta build and do the boring checklist while having 500k dps and being tanky" isn't a solution to this problem.

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Toforto wrote:

Yes such good game design, only the top 0.000000001% who have 10 mirror builds can farm t17s for good rewards by abusing rogue exiles, meanwhile everyone else suffers. Very cool.

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Toforto wrote:

Then people are forced to play unfun expensive builds if they don't wanna "miss out"

So this person believes there are 3 builds, all being 10 mirrors or more, that do 500k dps, that people are forced to play, that only 0.000000001% can do for good rewards from t17s.

Who are these people?
What builds are these?

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Who are these people?
What builds are these?

These questions don't change the fact that t17s suck. And ofc I don't mean all that literally, its just hyperbole to express how I feel about these maps.